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VOG - Shekelpal - 09-29-2007
Today Volcanoes National Park reported 2000 ppb of SO2, unhealthy over 500. Yesterday. Thought I was not going to make it, coughing and barely able to breath. No wonder, the wind was blowing strongly from the west and southwest - right to us from the fissure. Checked the State Dept. of Health website. They supposedly monitor air quality. They have monitors in Hilo, Kona and Puna for SO2 and H2S monitors in Puna. They showed nothing. They rarely work, at least for the public to see on line. If the park is showing 2000 ppb today because the wind changed to blow from the south, I am sure that was something like what we were experiencing yesterday. We used to have trade winds when Pu‘u O‘o was going off big time years ago, except for the occasional Kona winds. I think almost every day for a few years I have woken up to still air, or south or west winds. I think I am going to get an oxygen tank.
Not only does SO2 poisoning cause bronchial constriction, it causes diarrhea (frequent and fluid fecal evacuations, as poetically described in the dictionary), fatigue and muscle aches.
Why no trade winds anymore? Oahu still has strong trade winds. Is it global warming? It seems we are getting the weather that used to be a few hundred miles south of us. Does anyone know an antidote for SO2 poisoning?
RE: VOG - Kelena - 09-29-2007
Two questions: 1) Have Punatics noticed a consistent drop in the tradewinds, 2) Where are you and do you notice the vog?
By the way, I stayed in Captain Cook and I never noticed the vog while I was there. I appear to be immune --just sensitive to coquis, lava, hurricanes, tsunamis and fire ants I guess.
RE: VOG - JerryCarr - 09-29-2007
Hey, Glen, haven't you lived SoCal for quite a while? I think that gives you some sort of tolerance or mutated lungs or something.
When Bear and I lived in Atlanta and came to HVNP back in Summer '01, they had SO2 warnings so bad they withdrew a lot of staff from the park. We didn't notice anything particularly noxious. It just seemed like a normal air quality day for us. After actually living on the BI for several years now, we DO notice when we go to Hilo or the Park and the winds have shifted. Fortunately, here in HPP where we live, we have never noticed VOG, except as a visible haze in the far distance. I'm not saying it can't happen in HPP, but it seems to be rare.
Cheers,
Jerry
RE: VOG - Shekelpal - 10-06-2007
Hi Glen,
Captain Cook is on the West side, I am talking about the East side. Yes, you probably did not notice the vog because the wind was blowing the other way. Towards the east or north. Or, if you have not lived here for a while, you are probably not sensitized to the vog. It has a cumulative effect, choking, coughing, not being able to breathe without choking, diarrhea, tiredness, muscle aches, etc, etc. SO2 poisoning.
Sorry to sound like such a bummer. Almost everybody I know is sick. I have lived her for 10 years and my husband for over 20. Never like this. Trade winds are really off this far south for much longer than we ever remember. Relief occasionally, but mostly choking, sickening vog.
Hoping for better air.
RE: VOG - chip - 10-08-2007
Can someone comment on the Vog in the Hawaiian acres subdivision or the lack of Vog there.
Chip
DaKine
RE: VOG - Kelena - 10-08-2007
Yeah,Skelepal, I know that Captain Cook is on the West side, since, I was, uh, on the West side, and stayed there and, uh, the sun set to my left every evening as I faced North. But Captain Cook and that whole lower Kona coast is supposed to be Vog Central. I just didn't notice it physically, although I did see a suspicious haze. Years in Southern California have paid off, as Jerry pointed out!
I can't comment on Vog in Hawaiian acres except to say that Puna only gets vog when the trades die back. Otherwise, the vog gets buh-lown away.
Even casual visitors to the island know how important the trades are. No trades? Hot, and not in a good way.
RE: VOG - Kapohocat - 10-08-2007
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...I can't comment on Vog in Hawaiian acres except to say that Puna only gets vog when the trades die back...
We had what is known as a Kona Low this past thur/Fri/sat which makes the wind come from south west - north east and lets the trades die on this side but was blowing hard in Kona. Did make for nice camping over there except for the fact that my favorite Kua Bay (aka now as Kehaka State park open 7 - 7 - which used to be a 4WD road and NO ONE ON THE BEACH!) - We had to camp on the other side of the cinder cone. I am so lucky I lived here when these places were not so gentirifed.... okay that is a different rant.... sorry.... that is Kona Low blows the vog to the east side.
RE: VOG - missydog1 - 10-08-2007
Shekelpal,
I'm so sorry to hear of your distress. I have asthma and I well know the horrible coughing from bad VOG. When I lived in Hilo the last two years and the winds would turn occasionally, I could barely breathe.
Can you leave home on bad days?
I found that going to Prince Kuhio Cinemas was a lifesaver. They must filter the air with the A/C, because I would stop coughing once I got in the movie.
I live 7 miles north of Hilo and we're not getting any trades -- haven't for the two months I've been here. But I lived in this area three years ago and it was much the same, could get very saunalike in summer.
I feel for you being in the direct path of breezes blowing back from the vent. I personally cannot live where vog is frequent.
We originally moved to Waikoloa Village (back when houses were half the price of what HPP is now), and had to move due to VOG. I didn't know that the vog would come down the saddle to the Village. Waimea can be bad too. Kailua-Kona is terrible. South Kona is the worst, in my opinion, and Ka'u is out for me too.
Gee that leaves Puna right near the ocean, North Hilo, and Hamakua, or windward North Kohala.
I hate to say it, but moving would be better for your longterm health. Not what anyone wants to hear who is attached to their home though; I realize that!
RE: VOG - Bob Orts - 10-08-2007
I hate to say it, but moving would be better for your longterm health. Not what anyone wants to hear who is attached to their home though; I realize that!
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I don’t think moving should be even considered an option. That's like saying a person should move if the lava threatens their peoperty. What we need to do is demand that the government install fans to blow the VOG out to sea. How about erecting a dome over the vents and siphoning the VOG to scrubbers? It will go hand in hand with diverting the lava. You know, let’s consider a complete concrete shell over the entire area, this way there will be no VOG, lava threats, lava fields, or anything resembling Hawaii. Maybe we can convince a developer to build a Super-Center, amusement park, Starbucks, long-term parking lot, and a light rail terminal. That will provide badly needed jobs. The government can make the entire volcano resembles Los Angeles. Think of all the problems it will solve and it will be government doing it for the people.
RE: VOG - loffelkopffl - 10-08-2007
and just think how high land prices are over on the west side(vog country)