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Meeting Tonight - Civil Defense - opihikao - 09-08-2014
Update and friendly reminder:
The two (2) meetings this week will be held on Tuesday and Thursday (*Snipped - More at link).
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/lava-flow-community-meetings-pahoa
Lava flow community meetings in Pahoa
Hawaii County Civil Defense and the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory will hold additional community meetings on Tuesday, Sept. 9 and Thursday, Sept. 11 to update residents on the lava flow in the Wao Kele O Puna area.
The briefings will begin at 6:30 p.m. Tuesday and Thursday in the Pahoa High School cafeteria.
Additionally, please read the request from Piilani Kaawaloa (the young woman on video, and whose Aunty Minnie's daughter) with regard to the upcoming meetings this week.
For what it's worth. She speaks truth, and gives us old folks great hope. JMO.
(*Piilani Kaawaloa's statement on Facebook)
At tomorrows meeting do we go with anger on our hearts ready to speak against those who continue to think that diversion is the answer? No! Let us rise above the ignorance, and fear. Let us not waste our Hâ (breath) and our Mana our Mana on this subject no more. We have given them enough reasons and examples of why not to divert the lava. If they still want to try and divert the lava let them! They will experience first hand what will happen because of their actions.
Fear and not knowing makes you do and say crazy things. With that said, I ask all my ohana, Kupuna and friends from Kapoho, Kapaahu, Royal Gardens, Kupahuaa, Kalapana Gardens and Kalapana come and share your stories and experience with these people.
This is what they want to know that the Civil Defense and Geologist can't tell them,
- when will the lava take their home?
- how long will this last?
- what can they do in the mean time?
- how can they prepare?
- where can they go?
- what happens when the fire and lava covers their home?
The unknown is scary for those who never experienced this first hand so if we can Aloha them with knowledge through experience and focus on health issues such as,
- what can we do when the plume changes direction and brings the fumes to our ohana, keiki when at school or Kupuna?
- how can we help with brush fire should it begin to spread in areas that may impact homes?
- can Civil Defense identify possible evacuation sites so we can help perare meals, get nessesities ready for families that may need kôkua?
Positive manao tomorrow will result in positive outcomes/actions.
The other thing I noticed was no pule. Why is that? Every meeting down Kalapana we started with pule. Just wondering? Spread the word, work together with Aloha
RE: Meeting Tonight - Civil Defense - james weatherford - 09-08-2014
Thanks for that.
It is truly a gift she asks her ohana and kupuna to share, for that ohana, as you would would be aware, opihikao, surely knows what it is to welcome lava into their home.
RE: Meeting Tonight - Civil Defense - opihikao - 09-09-2014
Yes, Sir, Mr. Weatherford. She is a solid Hawaiian. Take good care.
Sure wish they'd live stream these meetings at this point.
JMO.
RE: Meeting Tonight - Civil Defense - Guest - 09-10-2014
Again I was not able to attend this meeting. If anyone here went, or has info to what was discussed last night, please share. Are they still giving a 16 day time period for the lava to cross the highway?. Seems like things are changing very quickly from a flow that may have stalled and was moving very slow on the surface, and now the volume and speed seems to have picked up dramatically.
RE: Meeting Tonight - Civil Defense - james weatherford - 09-10-2014
We went last night. Had not attended previous meetings.
Needed to leave before the County Director DPW spoke re roads.
Rate of flow was discussed. The current rate being right at, or slightly above the historical average for Kilauea generally and Pu`u O`o specifically. Slowing of flow is not in the picture.
"Regional energy" was discussed -- Civil Defense is talking with electric and water utilities to determine if an "isolated" situation can still have these.
btw: I found it very much dealing with reality that the CD was talking of dealing with the situation as an issue of "isolation".
CD Administrator said he had been talking with National Guard, specifically regarding help opening roads and for security.
IMO, the Civil Defense and Hawaii Volcanoes Observatory folks did a very fine job, and clearly demonstrated they are there to help the community; and were genuinely interested in the questions and feedback from the audience and in trying to help people understand the volcanology/geology as well as the emergency planning taking place.
RE: Meeting Tonight - Civil Defense - DanielP - 09-10-2014
My biggest question is; does the HVO crew expect that the future flows from Pu'uO'o will be heading the way of this flow (North/Northeast) or do they just have no idea.
RE: Meeting Tonight - Civil Defense - dakine - 09-10-2014
I think if you go back to video of earlier meetings.. last week sometime.. Jim K. (the HVO Scientist In Charge) said something to the effect that the way the Puu Oo structure is now they (we) can expect that future breakouts from Puu Oo (in the near term at least) will be in the same general direction as this one. He did explain the whys etc., but it all boiled down to yes, they'll be flowing to the northeast.. as they are now.
RE: Meeting Tonight - Civil Defense - geochem - 09-10-2014
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Originally posted by DanielP
My biggest question is; does the HVO crew expect that the future flows from Pu'uO'o will be heading the way of this flow (North/Northeast) or do they just have no idea.
I would guess that that is the most likely outcome for the immediate future. During the earlier phases of Pu'u O'o, and past eruptions from Mauna Ulu, a broad flow field typically develops where the initial flow follows the surface topography. Subsequent breakouts from the vent or the established tube will generate flows that may "flank" the initial flow or, eventually, follow a new topographic drainage near (in this case likely north of) the initial flow (that has established a new topographic high). The current flow within the cracks throws a bit of a wrinkle into the mix - if, on interruption of the tube flow, they become a topographic depression rather than a high point, they could divert the flow towards the south to continue paralleling the rift zone farther to the east. But there are a lot of other unquantifiable "what ifs" in the picture as well.
RE: Meeting Tonight - Civil Defense - DanielP - 09-10-2014
If the flows continue in the future in this direction, then wouldn't one assume that the connection between Pahoa area and Hilo be severed?
RE: Meeting Tonight - Civil Defense - james weatherford - 09-10-2014
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Originally posted by DanielP
If the flows continue in the future in this direction, then wouldn't one assume that the connection between Pahoa area and Hilo be severed?
Absolutely.
At this point, IMO, it is a matter of 'when', not 'if', the flow crosses Hwy 130.
Among the useful information at the Pahoa meeting last evening was about the rate of flow. It is average or a little above for Kilauea system generally and Pu`u O`o over the past 31 years in particular. No slow down in sight.
After Hwy 130, at its current rate (~0.25 mi/day), it is (what?) about 6 to 10 miles more to the ocean, depending on exact route -- ~25 to 30 days.