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AG zoning and campgrounds in Puna - randomq - 09-18-2014
From the Ag zoning code "permitted uses" it seems building campgrounds would be permitted in Puna. Does anyone have any experience with this in practice?
One could build some fairly luxurious, sheltered camping platforms, provide plenty of shared services, a shuttle bus, and perhaps help out some of the homeless population...
RE: AG zoning and campgrounds in Puna - Rob Tucker - 09-18-2014
That is a practical idea... and not "out of the box".
I Pahoa we had advocated for a public campground in what may or may not be the new Pahoa Park. It would have been about three acres of the 56 acres... and our proposal would have the county putting up no money.
Puna would be well served by well located public campgrounds.
RE: AG zoning and campgrounds in Puna - csgray - 09-18-2014
Even private campgrounds at a reasonable price. A lot of people just want a flat surface and access to a shower.
Carol
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RE: AG zoning and campgrounds in Puna - bananahead - 09-19-2014
'campgrounds' in Puna are called eco-villages... we have many, some as low as $3/day, some with private yurts/cabins/trailers as low as $5/day
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RE: AG zoning and campgrounds in Puna - ericlp - 09-19-2014
what we need are the eco-villages on the "OTHER" side of the lava
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RE: AG zoning and campgrounds in Puna - randomq - 09-22-2014
I am certainly thinking of privately owned, for-profit campgrounds. I guess my real question would be: will I be complying with the code if I open up a private campground, or does that particular use require some approval beyond ag zoning?
RE: AG zoning and campgrounds in Puna - kalakoa - 09-22-2014
For some reason "camping" is not well-defined as a land use; Code stipulates "camping activities" and "camping permits". Section 15-39 would seem to be on point:
Camping and the use of trailers or other camper units are only permitted as follows, followed by a list of parks where camping is allowed.
"Campgrounds" are defined as a permitted use in FA or A zoning, which is also odd, because the parks where camping is allowed are (or should be) zoned O.
I'm sure it's intentional, otherwise many Puna residents would claim "we're just camping"...
RE: AG zoning and campgrounds in Puna - john the architect - 10-16-2014
Another alternative is the upgrade of going with COHOUSING. You build real buildings but share common facilities like a kitchen and large entertaining/meeting spaces. Better living through socialism, or whatever you want to call the trade off that would be involved. Lots of info about this out there online.
John Maloney
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Hawaii Architect AR8082
RE: AG zoning and campgrounds in Puna - kalakoa - 10-17-2014
COHOUSING
This might even pass inspection if each of the buildings is alleged to be related to a permittable purpose, or if the buildings are all clustered at the intersection of lots such that each is legally on a separate TMK.
Alternately, connect all the buildings with a wall at least six feet high, making the entire arrangement a "single building" for permitting purposes.
Meanwhile, we should consider ourselves lucky that we have a permit-license-fee-inspection regime that serves to protect us from our own apparent stupidity -- those who need "affordable" housing need not apply.