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State Judge rules Hawaiian Kingdom still exists - SBH - 04-01-2015
March 27, 2015
Maui Circuit Court Judge takes Judicial Notice that the Hawaiian Kingdom still Exists and State of Hawai‘i Courts lack Subject Matter Jurisdiction
http://hawaiiankingdom.org/blog/state-of-hawaii-judge-rules-hawaiian-kingdom-still-exists/
“Once judicial notice was taken of the evidence that the Hawaiian Kingdom continues to exist as a state, it is considered indisputable and true,” according to Kaiama. “Judicial notice is a very significant ruling on evidence and when the court took judicial notice, it said that it is conclusive that the Hawaiian Kingdom exists,”…
“This is the first time that a judge has taken judicial notice—meaning he has accepted under the Rules of Evidence, without protest, the whole set of findings that lead to the conclusion that the Hawaiian Kingdom exists,” said Williamson Chang, a senior law professor at the University of Hawai‘i Richardson School of Law. “This is groundbreaking.”
RE: State Judge rules Hawaiian Kingdom still exists - 1voyager1 - 04-01-2015
If my memory serves me, I believe that Federal laws forbid the establishment of an aristocracy and the bestowing of titles dating from the inception of the U.S.
Plus, the occasional talk heard about Hawaiian Kingdom secession brings up thought about the direct cause of the Civil War, secession, not slavery.
RE: State Judge rules Hawaiian Kingdom still exists - lavalava - 04-01-2015
Oh wow! A circus court judge! That`s really going to matter. Must be an April fools post!
RE: State Judge rules Hawaiian Kingdom still exists - Chunkster - 04-01-2015
And there's the little matter of the Statehood vote which passed by a huge margin, even among Hawaiians.
RE: State Judge rules Hawaiian Kingdom still exists - Lee M-S - 04-01-2015
Look for the movie this Christmas: "Miracle on Kamehameha Street"
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RE: State Judge rules Hawaiian Kingdom still exists - Chunkster - 04-01-2015
Don't ignore the fact that a substantial portion (perhaps a majority) of the citizens of the Kingdom were not Hawaiians. They have rights under international law equal to the native citizens. Any "Hawaians only" approach to the takeover issue is on shaky ground.
RE: State Judge rules Hawaiian Kingdom still exists - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-01-2015
This judge is saying that in his opinion, as a representative of the US government, is that Hawaii still is a sovereign kingdom ->recognized<- by the United States government.
What court does this judge as a representative of the U.S. preside over? The OP says Circuit Court. Do his duties include cases with International law?
RE: State Judge rules Hawaiian Kingdom still exists - rainyjim - 04-01-2015
I seem to recall something about there not being a choice to not become a state on the ballot,
If I recall correctly,
The two choices were
A. Become a state
And
B. Become a territory
Also, just 1 persons opinion
IMO, of no significance everyone's got one, how does this change anything?
Just saying
My .02 cents
Aloha mai kakou
RE: State Judge rules Hawaiian Kingdom still exists - PaulW - 04-01-2015
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Hawaiivotesinset.JPG
Basically it was: become a State, yes or no?
Hawaii was already a Territory.
The Yes vote was 93%.
RE: State Judge rules Hawaiian Kingdom still exists - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-01-2015
The judge who made the comments about the Hawaiian Kingdom is a circuit court judge. With the jurisdiction of the circuit courts as described below, I'd guess this Judicial Notice is outside of his authority:
Jury trials are held in the Circuit Courts, which have general jurisdiction in civil and criminal cases. They also have exclusive jurisdiction in probate, guardianship and criminal felony cases, as well as civil cases where the contested amount exceeds $40,000.
Circuit Courts share concurrent jurisdiction with District Courts in civil non-jury cases in which the amounts in controversy are between $5,000 and $40,000. Other cases heard by the Circuit Courts include mechanics' liens and misdemeanor violations transferred from the District Courts for jury trials.
http://www.courts.state.hi.us/courts/circuit/circuit_courts.html