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Hawaii Passes Three Gun Laws - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 06-25-2016
Governor Ige signed three gun bills into law on Thursday:
1) SB 2954, now Act 108 authorizes county police departments to enroll gun owners into a federal criminal monitoring database, administered by the FBI so presumably it can be accessed nationwide.
2) HB 625 specifies harassment by stalking and sexual harassment as crimes of violence that disqualify a person from owning or possessing a firearm.
3) HB 2632 requires gun owners to surrender firearms if they have been diagnosed with significant behavioral, emotional or mental disorder.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hawaii-gun-laws_us_576c94b3e4b0dbb1bbba1e39
“There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them.”
-Joseph Brodsky
RE: Hawaii Passes Three Gun Laws - ericlp - 06-25-2016
Good... Maybe a standard that other states will follow.
RE: Hawaii Passes Three Gun Laws - terracore - 06-25-2016
"authorizes county police departments to enroll gun owners into a federal criminal monitoring database"
So they passed a bill that puts law abiding gun owners into a criminal database instead of directing resources into keeping guns away from criminals. The result of this bill is that fewer people are going to register their firearms.
Acquiring and owning a gun in Hawaii is really easy. Doing it legally, not so much.
RE: Hawaii Passes Three Gun Laws - leilanidude - 06-25-2016
Winner!
So correct. It isn't about keeping criminals from having guns. It is all about ways to remove guns from lawful citizens.
RE: Hawaii Passes Three Gun Laws - kalakoa - 06-25-2016
ways to remove guns from lawful citizens
I predict that some "lawful citizen" will be paid a large settlement after an out-of-state "database error" results in Hawaii seizing their firearms.
"But I've never even been to Pennsylvania!"
"Sorry sir, we have to. Because computers."
RE: Hawaii Passes Three Gun Laws - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 06-25-2016
some "lawful citizen" will be paid a large settlement after an out-of-state "database error"
Like when there's a car registration error?
For instance, you sell your car, mail in your title with the sale info, and the new owner doesn't register the vehicle. The license renewal info is subsequently mailed to you because the registration office didn't do anything with the sale info slip from the title that you mailed them in 2 days time. Which eventually they admit they received and found it in a file somewhere? But in the meantime, even though you followed the letter of the law, the buyer didn't and you're just lucky he didn't have an accident? Do you think I could sue the Motor Vehicle Licensing and Registration office and receive anything for that?
“There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them.”
-Joseph Brodsky
RE: Hawaii Passes Three Gun Laws - EightFingers - 06-25-2016
They need to go after knives next. (Sarcasm)
So these new laws will reduce gun violence? I don't see how. Someone please educate me?
RE: Hawaii Passes Three Gun Laws - birdmove - 06-25-2016
The database won't lower gun violence. But it will make firearms easily traceable if used in commission of a crime, or stolen. As far as I know, any firearm bought legally from a dealer is already in a database with serial number, date purchased, and buyer's and sellers (gun store's) names.
I'm for a law that makes ALL firearm purchases subject to a thorough background check. Private sales would have to be done at an FFL dealer, who could then do the forms for the background check, and complete the sale if the buyer is approved. I have no problem with this. But, then, I am not paranoid about my government coming to take my guns. I have no problem with magazine capacity limits on civilian firearms.
Used to be, if a criminal used a firearm in commission of a crime, they would tack on an increased sentence. I'm all for that.
Looks like the bill to force gun owners to take their firearms in to reregister them every three years went down? That is a stupid idea, and most gun owners would just say screw it. MY gun was registered when I bought it from a dealer. I registered it when I moved to Hawaii. That's it. I'm done. I would never sell a firearm to a private person. I'd put it on consignment at a dealer, where I knew all the proper paperwork and background checks would be done.
Jon in Keaau/HPP
RE: Hawaii Passes Three Gun Laws - leilanidude - 06-25-2016
In a similar fashion, using the "no-fly list" to prevent people from obtaining a gun is flawed. Virtually any of the federal agencies can arbitrarily put someone on the list and it is extremely difficult to get one removed from the list. If any new gun restriction law would have built-in protections to guarantee an individual their due process rights, more people might be in favor of it. The Democratic version has no such provision, effectively saying that if you end up on the "no-fly list", tough luck dude - even if you are innocent. That is what is so objectionable.
RE: Hawaii Passes Three Gun Laws - VancouverIslander - 06-26-2016
The fix, of course, is to make the no fly list more reasonable so that errors can be cleared up fairly and relatively quickly.
Me ka ha`aha`a,
Mike