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Why are personal attacks tolerated on PW? - dakine - 07-01-2016
In every online forum that I participate in or otherwise just read occasionally the number one rule is “No Personal Attacks.” Why is PW different? Why are personal attacks tolerated here? They are demeaning, rude, childish, and have no place in civil society. They are not welcome in any other form of public gathering, so why do they have a prominent place in the PW discourse?
I know the rules we agree to when we registered here say no trolling, but why does it not say No Personal Attacks? Why? And what good is a rule that is unenforced?
We have a few participants here that make almost no constructive contribution but post personal attacks practically everyday. We have others that are intelligent enough to actually make a contribution, but still give them no topic to reply to and they go off and personally attack someone, as if they are addicted to posting and if nothing else will attack other members here so as to scratch that itch. Why is this tolerated?
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RE: Why are personal attacks tolerated on PW? - knieft - 07-01-2016
dakine, in my mostly lurking view these days, it appears to me that _ideas_ are "attacked" on PW far more than people.
Perhaps it's hard for some people to see the difference. But you may see that as just another personal attack.
Cheers,
Kirt
RE: Why are personal attacks tolerated on PW? - HiloPuna - 07-01-2016
Kirk
Over on the Politics forum PM2 went after ophikao yesterday with a tirade mixing up the political with the philosophical, but addressed as personal.
Methinks one (PM2) reveals more about oneself than the target , making it very familial. So long as the basis of the rant is grounded in some form of idea or principle there should be tolerance, after all every message posted is at its root "personal". The mean spirited eventually out themselves if they can't refute an argument other than with ad hominem attacks.
Perhaps that's why Rob "allows it". Passion drives the conversation and can make for a yeasty forum!
RE: Why are personal attacks tolerated on PW? - Rob Tucker - 07-01-2016
You can read my response in "Hawaiian "Politics" & The Rebuttal " in the politics section.
Assume the best and ask questions.
Punaweb moderator
RE: Why are personal attacks tolerated on PW? - knieft - 07-01-2016
quote:
Originally posted by HiloPuna
Over on the Politics forum PM2 went after ophikao yesterday with a tirade mixing up the political with the philosophical, but addressed as personal.
Thanks HiloPuna. Went and looked. PM2's post stood out as ugly and silly. Not the norm at all. I think most any PunaWebber can see it for what it is, without demanding the moderator get involved.
I saw dakine say the same on
http://www.punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22455&whichpage=4
and it seemed out of context. Thus my reply...
Cheers,
Kirt
RE: Why are personal attacks tolerated on PW? - Mr nice guy - 07-01-2016
I'm a moderator on a website which caters to anarchists, dissidents, travelers and alternative types. I am impressed with the amount of bull**** which goes on here at times as it makes that other website look very civil in comparison.
The "no trolling" rule here is like the "don't be a dick" rule there except there it is enforced, virtually eliminating asshattery.
I'm not sure why it is tolerated here, but I can imagine there are choke good people who would like to participate but don't. Instead, they glean useful little tidbits without offering anything in return (not even cash to keep the site running). I can't blame them, it iis what they are comfortable with.
RE: Why are personal attacks tolerated on PW? - alaskyn66 - 07-01-2016
Its tolerated to a point... Rob as given quit a few people a ..vacation from punaweb over the six or seven years Ive been lurking then participating in this forum.
..What would King Kamehameha do..
RE: Why are personal attacks tolerated on PW? - Carey - 07-01-2016
Actually, the words in the "Register" that everyone here has agreed to are:
"In your use of these forums, you agree that you will not post any information which is vulgar, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, sexually oriented, or violates any laws."
The fact that some may need to have a hall-monitor-set-up-at-all-times is not practical for a forum that the moderator has family, a REAL job that takes up a lot of time, land in an area that needs attention... We have all agreed to abide by the above.... & I know that it can be hard to abide at times, but to call out a moderator who is doing this completely as a community service to all of us???
Well, it is not new to call on Rob to control our group, and he has, in the past, asked others to assist him..
But probably the best thing for each of us to do is read the line I have quoted...& each time you are not sure if your post is up to the standard you have agreed on, don;t post it!
This is a tough request... to be a mature human & self regulate & not call upon others to regulate .... but each of us has agreed to do this by joining this forum!
RE: Why are personal attacks tolerated on PW? - dakine - 07-01-2016
I hear the ideas are "attacked" on PW far more than people line and agree, and I think the to be a mature human & self regulate idea is great, but there are some, like PM2 and their tirade on the "Hawaiian "Politics" & The Rebuttal “ thread in the politics section that is ridiculous. To me it is so insulting as to verge on violence and I believe it would be so easy to stop it. There are, after all, only 3 or 4 people that make an endless habit out of saying hateful ugly things about those that they don't agree with and if someone with the authority to do something would stand up to them and ask them to give it up they would.
To me our collective silence about this, and the admins lack of action about this, is enabling it. Is condoning it. And that is just dumb. If any of our kids acted as such they'd be scolded, period. Sent to their room without dinner, the cell phone, the keys to the car, whatever, taken away, grounded for fricking ever. If any of our coworkers acted as such they'd be out of a job. If any member of our community association acted like that they'd be uninvited from our meetings. If any of us acted like this in any store on the island we'd be asked to leave and never come back. If we acted like this in congested traffic we’d be shot. There is a reason we expect respect in society. Not so we all can conform to a single idea but to protect those with differing opinions so that they may coexist in peace. And here there are a few that spend a part of every single day intentionally disturbing that peace.
I think your philosophy is great Rob, and it fosters a freer environment, but there is a limit that if gone beyond it just breaks and all you are left with is a school yard full of bullies. By your response to PM2 you are saying go ahead, pick on folks, sure be disrespectful what the hell I’ll pay the server bills so you can have somewhere to be an a**hole, treat people like crap, what the hell it's how people in Puna roll.. right? So be it!
RE: Why are personal attacks tolerated on PW? - terracore - 07-01-2016
If somebody wants to attack me personally on an online forum... I don't have the time or crayons to explain myself to them. I move on.
People can only get under your skin if you let them. Having thick skin helps.
Using an online forum means you're dealing with a bunch of anonymous people who will type things in the privacy of their homes that they would never say in public. And you're dealing with people who say unpleasant things on forums that they also say in public. It's a mix.
Administering an online forum while balancing free speech and community rules is incredibly complicated. I think Rob does a great job.