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Very sad - father, daughter swept out to sea - Rob Tucker - 07-19-2016
Calif. man, daughter swept out to sea from Hawaii tide pools
CBSNEWS
MAKAPUU, Hawaii - A California man who was an experienced surfer and his daughter died after being swept out to sea from tide pools in Hawaii on Saturday.
Officials identified the pair as 46-year-old Mark Hornor and 6-year-old Mina Hornor. Both were from Berkeley, California.
Emergency crews responded Saturday to reports that the girl fell into the ocean while walking along the rocky shoreline. Officials said her father jumped in to save her before he also was swept away by the waves.
Lifeguards found both victims unresponsive and brought them back to shore.
They both were taken to a hospital in critical condition and later died.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-man-daughter-swept-out-to-sea-from-hawaii-tide-pools/
RE: Very sad - father, daughter swept out to sea - pahoated - 07-19-2016
Then this happened nearby yesterday:
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32479819/woman-21-seriously-injured-after-jumping-into-water-near-peles-chair
Woman seriously injured after jumping into water near Pele's Chair
It used to be these things were rarely reported. They seem to be reported more now or accidents are happening more often. Now, the news is starting to accuse the state of Hawaii is not doing enough to "fix" tourist carelessness, recklessness, outright craziness. Of course, most of Puna knows who is really responsible. Thanks, Obama!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hawaii-tourist-deaths_us_572d512fe4b096e9f09197c9
Way Too Many Tourists Are Dying In Hawaii
http://www.parentherald.com/articles/42972/20160512/why-many-hawaii-tourists-die.htm
This Is Why Many Hawaii Tourists Die
"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"
RE: Very sad - father, daughter swept out to sea - DoryGray - 07-19-2016
Yes, sad. In my observation, there seems to be a lot less general "security" e.g. guardrails, here than on the mainland. Traveling the northwest road(?) on Maui from Ka'anapali to Wailuku, for example. It's free & wild here, which is alluring. Every tourist I meet, I always tell them "never turn your back on the ocean!". They usually say "oh, never heard that". It might be a good idea to have a brief live announcement by the flight attendant before getting off the plane as to the danger of the ocean. Even experienced local fishermen have been overtaken by rogue waves. Generally people don't listen to or read warnings unless it's in their face. Sounds crude, but you can't idiot proof everything. Just my opinion.
RE: Very sad - father, daughter swept out to sea - VancouverIslander - 07-20-2016
My cousin used to live just a short way from there until two years ago. Have driven by a few times. It's not a place that seems very dangerous really. You can check it out on google maps photosphere images quite easily to see what I mean. Must have been some big waves that day?
Me ka ha`aha`a,
Mike
RE: Very sad - father, daughter swept out to sea - alaskyn66 - 07-20-2016
Educating the visitors to the hazzards seems to be the biggest problem...
Perhaps if there was a sign at the deboarding areas of the planes that said : (x) many people died or were injured this week/year...dont be careless.
http://i.imgur.com/HQmAQgE.jpg
..And the people bowed and prayed... to the neon God they made...
RE: Very sad - father, daughter swept out to sea - opihikao - 07-20-2016
quote:Exactly, mahalo, DoryGray, especially the BBM part. SO sad, and tragic.
Originally posted by DoryGray
Yes, sad. In my observation, there seems to be a lot less general "security" e.g. guardrails, here than on the mainland. Traveling the northwest road(?) on Maui from Ka'anapali to Wailuku, for example. It's free & wild here, which is alluring. Every tourist I meet, I always tell them "never turn your back on the ocean!". They usually say "oh, never heard that". It might be a good idea to have a brief live announcement by the flight attendant before getting off the plane as to the danger of the ocean. Even experienced local fishermen have been overtaken by rogue waves. Generally people don't listen to or read warnings unless it's in their face. Sounds crude, but you can't idiot proof everything. Just my opinion.
The "paradise" some envision here, can be so deadly. We were taught to (in addition to the bolded part) count the wave pattern; four or seven, on the norm. This was apparently a "freak set" (sorry, no better term) of waves, and they do come often, out of nowhere. Not to mention the currents that change like the wind.
Pahoated, if only the marketing of Hawai'i included the dangers of hiking, swimming/surfing/snorkeling/diving, lava viewing, etc., of our every day life, we'd be reading less of this kind of tragedy. Tourism efforts should really prepare our visitors of the realities of visiting areas past Waikiki. Puna (and Moku o Keawe as a whole) is certainly not from the days of "Hawaii Calls", "Gilligan's Island", and "Hawaii 5-0".
We need to do better in educating all (my mo'opuna get it daily on the dangers of "nature", moreso, at the ocean), especially our visitors. Very sad story. Condolences to their ohana.
JMO.
ETA: typo, sorry.
RE: Very sad - father, daughter swept out to sea - TomK - 07-20-2016
As I understand things, the father dived into the ocean to try and save his daughter. Absolutely heartbreaking.
RE: Very sad - father, daughter swept out to sea - imwithstoopid - 07-22-2016
Perhaps signs at the places that need a warning,
"x amount of people have died here, don't be the next."
On the other hand,the news here "Chicago" announces those stats regularly, no accounting for stupid
Don't be an sesquipedalian, Eschew Obfuscation.....
Sometimes, when I see the neighborhood children make small discoveries of their own, I wish I were a child.
With apologies to Dr. Seuss
RE: Very sad - father, daughter swept out to sea - Kenney - 07-22-2016
I love that the Father made sure his girl was not alone. He was a true Dad. Heartfelt condolences and Aloha to the Ohana .