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Hilo dump "almost" full - kalakoa - 01-24-2017
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/landfill-nears-capacity-hilo-dump-could-be-full-year-options-limited
Highlights:
could reach capacity in as little as a year ... could take as long as three years
a closure plan ... could cost the county $10 million to implement, but he added that figure could increase
This one is my favorite:
"We have nothing against compost," Maile Lu'uwai, Keaukaha-Panaewa Farmers Association president, said Thursday evening during a Keaukaha Action Network meeting. "It's a great idea, but this cannot be in our community or any community on this island."
Where can County build a composting facility that isn't in "any community on this island"?
RE: Hilo dump "almost" full - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-24-2017
but this (compost) cannot be in our community or any community on this island
Not in my backyard. Unless it's shipped in a 50 lb plastic bag from the mainland, sold for $7.92 at Home Depot, loaded into the trunk of my car... and then after I drive home, only then will I allow it in my backyard, around the trees, shrubs, and perennials.
"Only fear real things, such as minds full of delusions." -Last Aphorisms
RE: Hilo dump "almost" full - Lee M-S - 01-24-2017
I compost in MY backyard!
RE: Hilo dump "almost" full - shockwave rider - 01-24-2017
I think for every new "nuisance activity" for the overall public good added to that neighborhood one should be taken away. They already have the airport, sewage treatment plant, and the dump in, or directly bordering, that one residential/ag neighborhood. Now the county wants to add a composting facility. In all fairness it really isn't right to ask one small community to keep absorbing all these needed but high impact activities that benefit this whole side of the island.
Which one of the other things on the list above could be shifted somewhere else? Or would it be easier to just build the compost facility on AG land somewhere else?
RE: Hilo dump "almost" full - randomq - 01-24-2017
Please build one in Hawaiian Acres, it will save me a lot of gas hauling green waste!
RE: Hilo dump "almost" full - kalakoa - 01-24-2017
sewage treatment plant, and the dump in, or directly bordering, that one residential/ag neighborhood
It's almost as if the land uses are following the existing zoning, with "ag" (+primary dwelling by right) right next to "industrial".
Being that the land is already zoned "industrial", no additional permits are required for an allowable use.
I'm sure someone can explain how the zoning "snuck up on" those who chose to build and live there.
just build the compost facility on AG land somewhere else?
County would have to grant an SUP to allow this industrial operation on ag-zoned land, but let's assume that's not a problem.
The "ag land somewhere else" would need infrastructure (roads, power, water) and it would have to be a large enough parcel that nobody could possibly live next to it.
Anyone anywhere nearby would likely complain about "traffic levels" and possibly
"noise/smell", even if they didn't share a road with the facility and could not see the site from their house.
If the facility required any infrastructure development, people would also bring up the "if you build a road someone will rip off my house" argument.
it really isn't right to ask one small community to keep absorbing all these needed but high impact activities
Railroad Ave crosses through several thousand acres of Shipman land... and the residents of HPP don't have any "high impact activities" yet...
RE: Hilo dump "almost" full - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-24-2017
Or would it be easier to just build the compost facility on AG land somewhere else?
...
Railroad Ave crosses through several thousand acres of Shipman land...
I wonder where there might be a large tract of land, far away from residential development, where the landowner already benefits from a favorable tax rate on their property, which is near numerous agricultural operations including expansive mac nut farms that might benefit from compost applications...
I wonder it there's any such place...
"Only fear real things, such as minds full of delusions." -Last Aphorisms
RE: Hilo dump "almost" full - Chunkster - 01-24-2017
The current dump location already has the necessary infrastructure in place as well as an established transportation network to feed a compost facility from the transfer stations, but it probably won't happen because the neighbors don't want it. I have to wonder if that is because of any real new impacts on them or just because they want to feel empowered. Remember, these are DHHL communities. I will paraphrase George Orwell's "Animal Farm" again and say: "All communities are created equal, but some communities are more equal than others."
RE: Hilo dump "almost" full - shockwave rider - 01-24-2017
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Originally posted by Chunkster
The current dump location already has the necessary infrastructure in place as well as an established transportation network to feed a compost facility from the transfer stations, but it probably won't happen because the neighbors don't want it. I have to wonder if that is because of any real new impacts on them or just because they want to feel empowered. Remember, these are DHHL communities. I will paraphrase George Orwell's "Animal Farm" again and say: "All communities are created equal, but some communities are more equal than others."
Yeah, the Homelands are so equal they already got industrial zoning, the docks, the dump, and the airport all foisted on them. I wonder how that happened?
All over Hawaii (state not just our island) Homelands get some of the worst possible land uses placed right next door: got some toxic ordnance to get rid of, put next to Homelands! Need a sewage treatment plant, put it next to Homelands and put the leaky outlet pipe right next to a Hawaiian canoe launch site. Yep, they sure are "empowered" on those Homelands, they get all the good stuff.
This pattern was established long before the Hawaiian cultural renaissance, the movers and shakers of Hawaii used Homelands as the catch all for bad land use planning and dirty, noisy, polluting activities, now the residents are saying enough is enough and you think they are getting special treatment? It is special all right, just not in a good way.
RE: Hilo dump "almost" full - tada - 01-24-2017
For quick and easy compost pile I cut off a section of wire fencing to make a circle up to 7-8 feet in diameter for depending on how much rubbish you have. Throw green waste in there. Locate it so as not to offend sensitive neighbors.