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Hawaiian DNA in soil atop Mauna Kea? - ohiagrrl - 04-29-2017
There is now a way to find out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/science/ancient-human-dna-cave-dirt.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaenamontanari/2017/04/29/scientists-sequence-ancient-neandertal-dna-from-cave-dirt/
Life on earth. An important scientific discovery. It should be illegal to bulldoze cinder cones or known grave sites. Oh wait, it is.
RE: Hawaiian DNA in soil atop Mauna Kea? - Carey - 04-29-2017
Big difference in finding biological material from the top of a mountain vs inside a cave... ETA (think WEATHERING DIFFERENCES FROM THE TWO LOCATIONS)
WRONG on both counts of this quote " illegal to bulldoze cinder cones or known grave sites. Oh wait, it is."
& it is NOT ILLEGAL to do EITHER of those... depending on the landownership, location & such, there are proceeding that may be needed to be done, but both of those have been done in the past LEGALLY!
(obliviously, the OP has never payed any attention when traveling around this island, like through Pahoa or 4-corners...where cinder FROM CINDER CONES is sourced out!)
RE: Hawaiian DNA in soil atop Mauna Kea? - ohiagrrl - 04-29-2017
Cinder cones atop Mauna Kea were burial sites....bulldozed without a second thought to make way for NASA sponsored telescopes....doing this would be considered a hate crime anywhere else in the world.
Read the environmental impact survey by McCoy and Nees or the one by 5he University, to see how numinous actual bones are in relation to the existing and planned telescopes. Bulldozing a cinder cones atop Mauna Kea is the issue but you seemed to get that Carey. You may be locked in Pahoa and four corners but my family is all over this island and my ohana extends up the island chain as well as being pan continental. You might try getting out more often.
RE: Hawaiian DNA in soil atop Mauna Kea? - leilanidude - 04-29-2017
The area where TMT should be going, has no evidence of burials.
RE: Hawaiian DNA in soil atop Mauna Kea? - Obie - 04-29-2017
ohiagrrl
The Nees study found no impact !
RE: Hawaiian DNA in soil atop Mauna Kea? - Carey - 04-29-2017
I am sure the OP has covered this island in detail.. and most likely knows that there are quarry sites all over this island, and cinder cones have been mined for longer than we have written records, and yes, even in the summit area of Mauna Kea.
& this material has been used on this island, and all up the island chain
But, again, the OP most likely already knows that...
& the supposition that it is not LEGAL is still not true!
RE: Hawaiian DNA in soil atop Mauna Kea? - PaulW - 04-29-2017
"It should be illegal to bulldoze cinder cones or known grave sites. Oh wait, it is."
Which law says it's illegal to bulldoze cinder cones? Name and number please.
RE: Hawaiian DNA in soil atop Mauna Kea? - alaskyn66 - 04-29-2017
Isn't most of puna a burial site at one time or another didn't they build the naniloa on a burial site which still has 'hauntings' to this day.
We're were the protectors then?.. oh its not my OHana..who cares... I get it now.
RE: Hawaiian DNA in soil atop Mauna Kea? - leilanidude - 04-29-2017
Every part of every island is a burial site of some sort due to the way that the ancients killed their own people left and right and dumped them everywhere.
RE: Hawaiian DNA in soil atop Mauna Kea? - ohiagrrl - 04-29-2017
Federal laws protecting natives grave sites:
http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/portal/communities/cemetery-preservation/laws/federal-laws.html
But plowing cinder cones atop Mauna Kea, known burial sites, historically works for the astronomy park, eliminating evidence seems to be the modus operandi.