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same old same old - birdmove - 08-25-2017
Arrest and release. Arrest and release. Attempted murderers this time. But, okay, let's let the poor misunderstood gun toting criminals out to mingle with those our prosecutors, judges and law enforcement are supposed to protect. What does it take to lock up people shooting other's with guns? Our police do a good job, just to see these animals released.
I am losing respect for our prosecutors and judges. If those in charge of protecting the public don't give a whit about our safety, then It's looking more and more like we are on our own. It's getting to be a joke.
Time for us to let our elected officials know we need to fix this problem.
Jon in Keaau/HPP
RE: same old same old - kalakoa - 08-26-2017
looking more and more like we are on our own
Just now figuring this out?
Property tax increase: same old lack of police/fire response.
Fuel tax increase: same old "sorry that's a private road".
TAT increase: still won't pay for Oahu rail.
let our elected officials know we need to fix this
They know (and don't care) or they don't know (and still don't care).
RE: same old same old - MarkD - 08-26-2017
What does it take to lock up people shooting other's with guns?
IMO, quarrels involving gunfire are not that big of a deal from a moral standpoint (excluding the highly remote possibility of being hit by stray bullets). It was certainly viewed this way under the moral code in America's West 150 years ago and still in play in some parts of the world.
Fights and sometimes gunfights *between willing participants--or arguably, people who are considered to be a participant because of good cause*--were an accepted part of life (and often not prosecuted).
What was not tolerated was predatory behavior: armed robbery, theft, etc. A highly held principle was that people had the right to be free from attack, theft or other harassment--both while traveling the land and on their property. (Possibly some similarity here to Kamehameha’s rule of the splintered paddle).
People could respond with violence if provoked. And theft, especially horse thievery, could get you hung.
Despite our new moral codes, the distinction between predatory behavior and public dispute settling is valuable. Statistically the latter is not a big crime problem in Hawaii. It is almost no problem for non-participants. (Yes cops should police these situations in any event).
Our big problem is (predatory) theft, made all the worse by criminals’ understanding that courts 1) consider theft a low priority and 2) are very strict on people who try to defend themselves or their property. Let’s keep our focus on where our real crime problem is.
RE: same old same old - Obie - 08-26-2017
All it would take is more prisons!
RE: same old same old - kalakoa - 08-27-2017
All it would take is more prisons!
Cost per prisoner: mainland $80K/year, on-island $120K/year.
How high would taxes have to go?
RE: same old same old - MarkD - 08-27-2017
Again, this takes us back to the only real conclusion: Use of electronic bracelets and a probation-parole system in lieu of prison time for almost all non-violent criminals.
RE: same old same old - alaskyn66 - 08-27-2017
Community service sentences would be ideal. Picking up garbage, cleaning up beaches,parks etc.
Prisons and jails should be for people who are a danger to society.
RE: same old same old - leilanidude - 08-27-2017
Community service sentences would be ideal. Picking up garbage, cleaning up beaches,parks etc.
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The unions are absolutely against this.
RE: same old same old - Tink - 08-27-2017
Make Ko'olawe a State Park. Then sentence them to employees of that particular State Park as a "Reforestation Engineer" or "Building Construction/Maintenence Technician" as a trade to learn while incarcerated there to make it the beautiful island it once was with native plants, restrooms, cabins all replaced on her barren land overseen by prison guards, of course.
Community begins with Aloha
RE: same old same old - Durian Fiend - 08-27-2017
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Originally posted by leilanidude
Community service sentences would be ideal. Picking up garbage, cleaning up beaches,parks etc.
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The unions are absolutely against this.
Maybe some do, but they can't stop it, as evidenced by the growing number of US corporations taking advantage of prison labor these days.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443747/prison-labor-laws-wages