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Hawaii Constitutional Convention - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-21-2018
A ConCon allows delegates to submit changes in Hawaiian State law that legislators may ignore or avoid.
There is a lot of discussion about the cost of a ConCon, but the real price tag is unknown:
https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/10/the-concons-real-price-tag-thats-still-a-mystery/
What has a ConCon accomplished when held in the past? Here are some outcomes from the 1978 Constitutional Convention::
* established term limits for state office holders,
* provided a requirement for an annual balanced budget,
* laid the groundwork for the return of federal land such as the island of Kaho#699;olawe,
* created the Office of Hawaiian Affairs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_Hawaii_State_Constitutional_Convention
RE: Hawaii Constitutional Convention - Chunkster - 10-21-2018
The fact that the Hawaii Government Employees Association has been heavily funding anti-Convention ads is enough to make me think it's a good idea to have one. Adding a citizens' ballot initiative measure would be an excellent idea seeing as how our "Democratic" politicians seem to be mortified at the prospect of the people actually being able to vote directly on critical issues. Abolishing the Office of Hawaiian Affairs might be a good idea, too. As for the cost, it could easily pay for itself by reining in the power of the government employees unions to dictate across the board salary increases that are not based on merit.
RE: Hawaii Constitutional Convention - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-22-2018
Chunkster -
Looking at which organizations are for or against the ConCon is probably an excellent way we as individuals can determine who benefits (or not) by holding the convention.
Thanks. I'm going to watch for more. If anyone sees an ad, please post the name of the group and their stance.
"The great mystery is that such a state may be one of utter happiness, as it provides opinions concerning things, but no knowledge of the things themselves.” - Marguerite Young
RE: Hawaii Constitutional Convention - HiloPuna - 10-22-2018
HOTPE
Here's the All Star lineup from one article. There is also, naturally, a divide in the Hawaiian community
Ka Lahui (M. Trask) has written a position paper opposed to Con-Con and writes;
"…The only folks pushing a State Con-Con are those supporting the creation of a State Hawaiian Nation! They want to pass the buck (literally the costs) on to the US through their “Federal Recognition” effort..."
If that makes any sense at all it's lost on me. Anyway, here's the Rogues Gallery, it's comedic in a Swiftian sense (as an Incongruous List)
ACLU Hawaii
Chamber of Commerce Hawaii
Council For Native Hawaiian Advancement
Democratic Party of Hawaii
District Council 50/International Union of Painters and Allied Trades
Hawaii Fire Fighters Association
Hawaii Government Employees Association
Hawaii Laborers & Employers Cooperation and Education Trust Fund
Hawaii State AFL-CIO
Hawaii’s Thousand Friends
Hawaii State Teachers Association
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers
International Longshore and Warehouse Union – Hawaii
Laborers’ International Union of North America
Sierra Club of Hawaii
State of Hawaii Organization of Police Officers
United Public Workers
University of Hawaii Professional Assembly
I spoke with numerous legislators and the Gov during the last session and never heard one word of support and lots of opposition.
I voted in Favor.
RE: Hawaii Constitutional Convention - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-23-2018
here's the Rogues Gallery, it's comedic in a Swiftian sense (as an Incongruous List)
Thanks HiloPuna.
That's quite the list.
When such a divergent roster of organizations find themselves joined together against the proposed ConCon, it makes for strange bedfellows indeed. But obstructing and resisting public input - - it's A Modest Proposal.
I'm voting yes.
Thanks again!
"The great mystery is that such a state may be one of utter happiness, as it provides opinions concerning things, but no knowledge of the things themselves.” - Marguerite Young
RE: Hawaii Constitutional Convention - HiloPuna - 10-25-2018
I wondered when the House leadership proposed a constitutional amendment to allow a Real Property tax to benefit education whether it was an attempt to besmirch the whole subject of amending the Constitution. It was so badly worded that it was easily found legally defective by the State Supreme Court and ordered unconstitutional. The fingerprints were so obvious that the authors should be embarrassed by their hamhandedness.
It thus acts as a bad reference, no doubt spoiling two potentially beneficial proposals.
RE: Hawaii Constitutional Convention - BillyB - 11-05-2018
Adventures of Don Juan (1948)
Queen Margaret : You will never succeed. The people will rise against you!
Duke de Lorca : Shepherds may change, but sheep remain sheep.