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one year later - kalakoa - 04-12-2019
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/04/12/nearly-year-later-many-eruption-evacuees-still-search-permanent-home/
Alameda says of the 626 families who needed help finding a new place to live, only 153 have been able to secure permanent housing. Another 45 families, totaling 156 people, requested plane tickets so they could start over somewhere else.
626 - 153 - 156 = 317. Put another way: only 1/3 of those who stayed have a permanent home.
This should not have been a surprise:
Time is running out for lava evacuees living in at the Sacred Heart shelter to find permanent housing. Funding for the micro-units runs out in June.
How much "funding" exactly? Aren't these units already paid for? Where are these people supposed to go?
RE: one year later - terracore - 04-12-2019
Not a lot of useful data in that article. It says:
1 "Many other evacuees remain doubled-up with family." People can figure things out by themselves and don't need the government to mis-manage a response. Sounds good to me.
2 “We found, through all of this, it wasn’t the disaster that caused mass displacement,” said Alameda. “It was conditions that existed before the disaster, the lack of housing, the lack of mental health services.” I'm not sure I understand this statement at all. Are they suggesting that only crazy homeless people were affected by the disaster? I am befuddled.
3 "The shelter where she’s staying, situated behind the Sacred Heart Church in Pahoa, is still 75 percent full...Funding for the micro-units runs out in June." As I understand it, they aren't charging people rent to stay there, so these are people who were living rent free prior to the disaster? And if 25% of the units are empty, is there still a crisis?
RE: one year later - kalakoa - 04-12-2019
is there still a crisis?
Nothing a few more studies won't solve...
RE: one year later - Seeb - 04-12-2019
Those micro houses were allowed without permits or planning because of a declared emergency is the county going to pull that. All the talk of a replacement subdivision just disappeared?
RE: one year later - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-12-2019
“We found, through all of this, it wasn’t the disaster that caused mass displacement... It was conditions that existed before the disaster
Yes, what a revelation.
It’s almost as if problems existed in Puna all along. Problems that the County ignored and left unaddressed. Deficiencies which were exacerbated when an emergency arose, leaving 2/3rds of those affected simply out of luck, in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The solution? Does the County look at their lack of support and attention in one of the island’s districts as a shortcoming on their part? Certainly not. They wait to open roads, delay decisions on whether future building is allowed, until property owners and taxpayers just go away, they hope. People can’t sit around waiting forever can they? The County can and will, because time is on their side. If they wait long enough County government can make the problem disappear, when people leave, permanently.
RE: one year later - Pilgrim - 04-12-2019
HOTPE -
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...They wait to open roads, delay decisions on whether future building is allowed, until property owners and taxpayers just go away, hopefully. People can’t sit around waiting forever can they? The County can and will, time is on their side. Given adaquate time the problem will simply disappear, if the people leave.
Right. It's the "those people can all go back where they came from" thing in action just like Harry Kim said in 2014.
RE: one year later - randomq - 04-13-2019
So if you were getting by growing weed, cashing food stamps, and living in an unpermitted shack in lower Puna, what should the county do to help you? Some cash so you can get established in a similar situation somewhere else?
And if you owned a million dollar uninsured home in Kapoho, what should the county do for you? Cash to buy a new home? How much?
Are either of these solutions fair for the taxpayers doing the bailing out?
RE: one year later - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-13-2019
Are either of these solutions fair for the taxpayers doing the bailing out?
Is it fair for taxpayers to repeatedly bail out people who build, then rebuild two, three, even four times in areas with recurring floods? What about allowing residential and businesses below sea level, as in New Orleans? Sand Island Acess & Mapunapuna in Honolulu are repeatedly flooded during King Tides. Hanalei Vally on Kauai. If it’s ok for them, then I see no difference in bailing out Puna.
See Hanalei Valley vs Puna Lava thread:
http://www.punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26076
RE: one year later - terracore - 04-13-2019
"Are either of these solutions fair for the taxpayers doing the bailing out?"
Either one assumes that disaster recovery is some sort of entitlement. The government's job should be limited to helping people survive the disaster. Other than restoration of services, transportation, EBT, welfare etc, after that they should just get out of the way.
RE: one year later - Obie - 04-13-2019
I haven't heard of anyone getting a bailout, especially owners of million dollar uninsured homes.
There were a lot of people just starting out whom had spent their nest egg buying property and starting to build who had no insurance.After the initial evacuation they got help for a while but no where near enough to start over.
There were a lot of people who had homes that were paid for who hadn't planned their retirement real well and they will probably be houseless the rest of their lives.