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Question about police procedure - EightFingers - 07-09-2019
Came up in a discussion:
Police were interviewing witnesses and potential witnesses and they requested full names, addresses, phone numbers, birthdates and last four digits of social security numbers. It seems a little strange to me as normally wouldn’t they just request ID like a driver license?
Is this the normal procedure for HPD?
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RE: Question about police procedure - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-09-2019
Is this the normal procedure for HPD?
Yes.
I’ve been interviewed as a witness several times, for neighborhood robberies & recent attempted gas theft - - and the officer always asked for everything you mentioned. I think the only thing he/she didn’t request was my drivers license.
RE: Question about police procedure - TomK - 07-09-2019
Agree with HOTPE, I've been questioned as a witness on a few occasions and have been asked all that and, in addition, my occupation. I have no idea why they ask for all that info. They were always courteous when asking for the information, but it did make me feel as if I was being treated as a suspect.
RE: Question about police procedure - Mtviewdude - 07-09-2019
quote:
Originally posted by EightFingers
Came up in a discussion:
Police were interviewing witnesses and potential witnesses and they requested full names, addresses, phone numbers, birthdates and last four digits of social security numbers. It seems a little strange to me as normally wouldn’t they just request ID like a driver license?
Is this the normal procedure for HPD?
Puna: Our roosters crow first
They can ask, just decline. I have been interviewed twice and told them I do not provide that information and they shrug it off.
https://acluhi.org/first-amendment-toolkit/#bustcardA
If you’re not driving, you don’t have to show I.D. or give your name unless there is “reasonable suspicion” that you’re involved in a crime. While you generally can’t be arrested for refusing, officers do have wide latitude to compel you to give your name.
Drivers must show license, registration & proof of insurance. You may ask for a blood or urine test instead of a breath test or field sobriety test. You may also refuse all tests, and will face a possible one-year license suspension. If driving commercially, laws or company rules may compel you to take a test. Talk to your lawyer.
RE: Question about police procedure - glinda - 07-10-2019
Hawaii driver license numbers used to be one’s social security number. The practice was discontinued. Your ss number is none of their business. One has to imagine the cops, as is everyone else, are building a deep database on all of us. Ultimately, methinks, nothing good can come from all of this.
Woz says he left Facebook over data collection... I’ll bet Hawaii county is buying that stuff on all of us.. adding your ss number to all the data grepped from social media gives them an order of magnitude more info. And Zuckerberg just gets richer.
Has anyone heard of Bluetooth surveillance yet...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluetooth-wireless-tracking-privacy.html
If not you’ll just love the article linked above.
RE: Question about police procedure - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-10-2019
Hawaii driver license numbers used to be one’s social security number.
...
One has to imagine the cops, as is everyone else, are building a deep database on all of us.
When you renew your drivers license one of the required forms of I.D. Is your social security number. Whether you provide your social security number to an police officer or not, they have it.
You already, willingly, gave it to them.
RE: Question about police procedure - jrw - 07-10-2019
They ask for all the info so they can run search to see if you have any warrants. They are treating you like suspect
jrw
RE: Question about police procedure - TomK - 07-10-2019
quote:My experience is is that they only ask for the last four numbers of your social security number, not the whole thing. As HOTPE mentioned, if you have a current driving license, they already have your SS number. If you don't have a license, then it seems, as jrw mentioned, they may use those last four digits to see if you have warrants. Maybe they also use it to see if you are telling the truth. I don't know. I would also like to know why they ask these questions.
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
Hawaii driver license numbers used to be one’s social security number.
...
One has to imagine the cops, as is everyone else, are building a deep database on all of us.
When you renew your drivers license one of the required forms of I.D. Is your social security number. Whether you provide your social security number to an police officer or not, they have it.
You already, willingly, gave it to them.
RE: Question about police procedure - rainyjim - 07-10-2019
You guys are giving the officers way too much credit.
The officers are asking those questions because the form they have to fill out has blanks for those questions and the officers want to fill out the form in front of you so it seems like they have a clue (in front of you) and so it seems like their report was filled out satisfactorily (in front of their supervisors).
The form probably came from another state and they just c/p it into a Hawaii template. No one ever actually considered if the questions made sense and it’s a 1 size fits all situation so no doubt whoever originally made the template made it vague. The police officers (especially in Hawaii) aren’t known for their critical thinking skills.
RE: Question about police procedure - jrw - 07-11-2019
When I had a scanner used to here police call in on people who where witness all the time looking for warrants
jrw