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DHHL Subsistance Farming Lots in Honomu & Pana’ewa - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 11-15-2019
The good news:
DHHL’s Honomu project will be the first of its kind on the island and is among expanded options the Department is working to bring beneficiaries, including the opportunity to return to the land and promote self-sufficiency through farming, a DHHL press release said.
But then:
The project’s first phase is anticipated to cost $2 million and will include the infrastructure development for 16 one-acre subsistence agricultural homestead lots near Akaka Falls, the release continued.
https://bigislandnow.com/2019/11/13/ea-published-for-dhhl-subsistence-ag-lots-in-hilo/
For those of you playing DHHL Jeopardy at home, that's $125,000 per lot, infrastructure only, house not included.
The news story contains an incorrect map, the correct map may be found on page 5 of the Environmental Assessment:
http://oeqc2.doh.hawaii.gov/EA_EIS_Library/2019-11-08-HA-FEA-Honomu-Subsistence-Agricultural-Homestead-Community.pdf
RE: DHHL Subsistance Farming Lots in Honomu - kalakoa - 11-15-2019
$125,000 per lot, infrastructure only
$25K for the infrastructure. $100K to do it "in the correct way".
Obviously TMT is the problem here, good thing the beneficiaries are protesting that.
RE: DHHL Subsistance Farming Lots in Honomu - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 11-15-2019
Let's use HPP as a basis of comparison. One acre lots here are about 135 feet wide:
8 Lots on each side of the road = 16 lots total
Length of road required = 1080 feet
Number of power poles required = 4 (one pole every 270 feet in HPP)
$2 Million for 1/5 of a mile of road and 4 power poles.
With apologies to The Princess Bride, DHHL keeps using the word subsistence. I do not think it means what they think it means.
RE: DHHL Subsistance Farming Lots in Honomu - kalakoa - 11-15-2019
DHHL keeps using the word subsistence
Let's fill in the blanks.
They're "promoting self-sufficiency (for someone) through (expenses related to) farming".
We're just left to assume that "the beneficiaries" will actually ... benefit.
I wonder who gets the prime commercial real estate right next to Akaka Falls, and what makes it related to "farming"...
I also wonder how "subsistence farming" can succeed with less than 5 acres (I have books on the subject, 5 acres isn't a random guess).
RE: DHHL Subsistance Farming Lots in Honomu - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 11-15-2019
Obviously TMT is the problem here, good thing the beneficiaries are protesting that.
Here's a recent quote from a TMT protestor:
Noe Noe Wong-Wilson, one of the leaders of the Kiai who call themselves protectors and not protesters at Mauna Kea believes TMT’s economic benefits are “grossly overstated.”
“That’s chicken feed. I’m sorry. That’s not going to provide the benefit, the overall benefit to our community,” she said.
Could it also be said the benefits that Native Hawaiian beneficiaries receive from DHHL are "grossly overstated?"
And while we're on the subject of chicken feed, how many chickens can you raise on one acre? Other than roosters for illegal cock fights, could a subsistence farmer make a living raising chickens and selling eggs on an acre which will provide an overall benefit to themselves and their community?
RE: DHHL Subsistance Farming Lots in Honomu - Chunkster - 11-15-2019
$25K for the infrastructure. $100K to do it "in the correct way". - kalakoa
I think it's more a question of being done at a huge profit by the "correct people" as opposed to being done "in the correct way."
RE: DHHL Subsistance Farming Lots in Honomu - kalakoa - 11-15-2019
by the "correct people"
Reading between the lines of various HTH coverage, "in the correct way" is a euphemism for "the right people getting paid".
RE: DHHL Subsistance Farming Lots in Honomu & Pana’ewa - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-01-2021
How realistic is this? Are they serious?
What could you possible grow that will support even one person (much less a family) from a half acre of land that:
“As you can see the soil is really reach over here. There’s lots of rain. Look at how the plants respond. The productivity over here is going to be awesome,” Hawaiian Homes Commission Chair William Aila Jr. said.
DHHL says the capital improvement project will subdivide a 10-acre property into 16 half-acre subsistence lots that do not require a formal farm plan or two-thirds cultivation.
Homeland leaders say its the perfect area for beneficiaries to sustain themselves off of the land.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com//app/2021/08/31/dhhl-breaks-ground-subsistence-agricultural-lots-hawaii-island/
Clearly there’s no one at DHHL who understands what it takes to provide a living from agriculture, much less how to get beneficiaries off a 70 year waiting list.
RE: DHHL Subsistance Farming Lots in Honomu & Pana’ewa - kalakoa - 09-01-2021
no one at DHHL who understands what it takes to provide a living from agriculture
Not quite -- someone is making a good living creating 16 lots for "only" $2.5M, and the work will "just" take a year.
RE: DHHL Subsistance Farming Lots in Honomu & Pana’ewa - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-01-2021
... someone is making a good living creating 16 lots for "only" $2.5M...
By my calculation that's $156,250 per half acre lot. In Puna (or South Hilo).
That's not a good living, that's alchemy.