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The Plot Thickens! - AaronM - 08-18-2021
"Overall the immunity induced by both vaccination and prior infection was still robust one year later, particularly against wild-type SARS-CoV-2 and the now more common alpha and delta strains, though potency towards the later-emerging beta and gamma strains is waning. In low vaccine availability locations, this is reassuring, as some protection can still be granted to individuals without committing to regular vaccine boosters in the short term.
However, the next generation of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will need to account for mutations that allow evasion of the previously developed antibodies and preferably be better future-proofed against other novel mutations."
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210816/Obtained-SARS-CoV-2-immunity-naturally-or-via-vaccination-persists-12-months.aspx
Looks like the body's natural immune response works as good or better than the vaccines. Assuming that you are healthy enough to withstand the virus, the resulting natural antibodies are as effective and last as long as the current vaccine options.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-herd-provincetown-mayo-delta-mask-mandate-vaccine-passport-cdc-mucosal-immunity-11629128219
https://www.theblaze.com/news/neurologist-unvaccinated-previously-infected-less-likely-to-spread-covid
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/joim.13372
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2
[b]Conclusions[/b] Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.
[b]Summary[/b] Cumulative incidence of COVID-19 was examined among 52238 employees in an American healthcare system. COVID-19 did not occur in anyone over the five months of the study among 2579 individuals previously infected with COVID-19, including 1359 who did not take the vaccine.
RE: The Plot Thickens! - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-18-2021
the body's natural immune response works as good or better than the vaccines. Assuming that you are healthy...
What doesn’t kills 600,000+, makes you stronger?
RE: The Plot Thickens! - MyManao - 08-18-2021
(08-18-2021, 03:26 AM)AaronM Wrote: Looks like the body's natural immune response works as good or better than the vaccines...
God, are you ever going to quit? You're sources are so full of BS it's pathetic. I do not understand why you are using PW to spread lies and dangerous, harmful, and potentially deadly misinformation.
From https://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisiana-covid-19-misinformation-hospitals-two-pandemics/
Intensive Care Units in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, are in need of additional wards after being filled with coronavirus patients. As of Tuesday morning, the Baton Rouge General Medical Center had 180 COVID patients and more than 70 of them were in the intensive care unit. They're operating seven expanded COVID wards, and doctors say the hospital may need two more by the end of the week.
Karri Oakes and her husband Jeffrey are both in the ICU with COVID-19. The couple has been married for 27 years and has caught COVID-19 twice. They were not hospitalized last time, and the couple said they wanted to wait to get vaccinated.
"We thought that the fact that we had it last year would give us some additional protection this year," Jeffrey told CBS News' lead national correspondent David Begnaud.
"The Delta variant is really, really nasty. And anyone who thinks that they can just come through this, they're wrong," Karri added.
RE: The Plot Thickens! - AaronM - 08-18-2021
*your
Hey MyManao! Isn't it funny that according to you, all the sources that support your claims are 100% true and all the sources that support my claims are 100% false?
Especially entertaining is how I post actual scientific studies with nationally sourced data and you refute me with some anecdotal nonsense from Baton Rouge.
Irregardless, it's clear that we are so diametrically opposed that further debate is useless.
RE: The Plot Thickens! - kalianna - 08-18-2021
"further debate is useless."
Best news I've heard all day.
RE: The Plot Thickens! - AaronM - 08-18-2021
Happy to help.
RE: The Plot Thickens! - randomq - 08-18-2021
AaronM, if we could get everyone to natural immunity without hundreds of thousands more dying and millions jamming our hospitals and causing unnecessary deaths for others then sure. But you can't just ignore the amount of death and suffering it would take to get there and say "see, just as good!"
RE: The Plot Thickens! - MyManao - 08-18-2021
(08-18-2021, 06:03 AM)randomq Wrote: if we could get everyone to natural immunity...
Sorry randomq, it don't work that way. I wish it did, sheesh, we all do. But, alas..
From: https://www.scienceboard.net/index.aspx?sec=sup&sub=cell&pag=dis&ItemID=1815
Antibodies that develop after infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus disappear quickly, according to an analysis published in Science Immunology on December 7. The findings could indicate that SARS-CoV-2 infection might not offer long-term immunity from subsequent reinfection with the virus.
Personally I know of two individuals who have had this confirmed by their doctors after they were infected. Three months out, no antibodies.
RE: The Plot Thickens! - randomq - 08-18-2021
Well, my point is even if it did "work", it would require way too much death and suffering. Especially when we have really effective vaccines readily available for free to everyone.
RE: The Plot Thickens! - Durian Fiend - 08-18-2021
(08-18-2021, 06:35 AM)MyManao Wrote:It's common for coronaviruses to re infect those who've had them before, hence the "common cold".(08-18-2021, 06:03 AM)randomq Wrote: if we could get everyone to natural immunity...
Sorry randomq, it don't work that way. I wish it did, sheesh, we all do. But, alas..
From: https://www.scienceboard.net/index.aspx?sec=sup&sub=cell&pag=dis&ItemID=1815
Antibodies that develop after infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus disappear quickly, according to an analysis published in Science Immunology on December 7. The findings could indicate that SARS-CoV-2 infection might not offer long-term immunity from subsequent reinfection with the virus.
Personally I know of two individuals who have had this confirmed by their doctors after they were infected. Three months out, no antibodies.
What matters is if prior infection (or better, vaccination) protects against severe illness. So far, it appears that this coronavirus is similar to others in that long term protection from severe disease occurs.
So, you get sick with cold symptoms. Who cares? We only care when people get so sick they need to be hospitalized.