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Honolulu Sues Chevron, Keiki Sue Hawaii - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-21-2022
The County of Honolulu is sueing Chevron for global warming and sea level rise. Chevron doesn’t deny its role, and in their defense points out many cartoons and comics as far back as the ‘80’s & ‘90’s included commentary about climate change. So the information was widely available and we should have known better.
Watch the video:
https://gizmodo.com/chevron-using-movies-to-deflect-blame-climate-denial-1849559017
RE: Honolulu Sues Chevron, Chevron Blames Cartoons - TomK - 09-22-2022
I'd be slightly more convinced this is true if there was a link to the actual legal papers.
RE: Honolulu Sues Chevron, Chevron Blames Cartoons - leilanidude - 09-22-2022
Simple enough to do a google search:
https://www.courthousenews.com/ninth-circuit-denies-oil-giants-appeal-in-climate-change-lawsuit/
RE: Honolulu Sues Chevron, Chevron Blames Cartoons - AaronM - 09-25-2022
How dare you require me to obtain my own data!?
I require all posts to be cited properly as all my knowledge must be spoon fed.
RE: Honolulu Sues Chevron, Chevron Blames Cartoons - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-25-2022
"History belies plaintiffs' assertion that there was a failure to warn or misrepresentation, or that plaintiffs were somehow unaware of the relationship between the combustion of fossil fuels and climate change, " Shell said in its filing.
Shell said scientific study of climate change dates to the 1800s, has been discussed by the company for more than 30 years and has been the subject of media reports and government policy debate for many decades. "It was far from hidden or unknown as plaintiffs claim, " Shell said in its filing.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/big-oil-pushes-back-honolulu-160400422.html
"many alleged injuries have not yet occurred and might never occur." - Nearly all the defendants
https://twitter.com/ahofschneider/status/1573023745362444288?s=20&t=oa92nd0HI2pSL8T2W3EJTA
https://www.sfgate.com/hawaii/article/Home-collapses-on-Hawaii-s-North-Shore-more-16969272.php
"It was far from hidden or unknown as plaintiffs claim
And yet, the oil companies have spent billions convincing people that their actions and policies have nothing to do with climate change. And many people who still believe oil companies have nothing to do with climate change regularly defend petroleum companies on social media sites.
Now oil companies claim that yes, they did create a problem with the environment, and we should have known what was happening by watching TV?
RE: Honolulu Sues Chevron, Chevron Blames Cartoons - Olohana 1790 - 09-26-2022
stupid, because sea level rise affects Hawaii zero kine.... these island fauken sink fast, they always have....
I have a Megalodon shark tooth that is 12X older than the Big Island of Hawaii, yet its only a third as old as the Hawaii island of Kure
Kure used to be larger than the Big Island of Hawaii
Kure is the largest atoll on Earth
Kure is the most northern Atoll on Earth
Kure will disappear within a few thousand more yrs...
OK
Maui now
Maui also used to be larger than the Big Island of Hawaii...
because the ancient island we now call Maui Nui, was Maui, Molokai, Lanai, and Kahoolawe as part of the same island...
IN LESS THAN 1 Million years Maui went from being much larger than todays Big Island, to only a small fraction of size today (1/6th)... and its damn volcano was active AFTER Capt Cook died here...
our always NW moving Hawaiian Islands SINK, and then disappear when they reach the Darwin Point in the ocean where the water is too cold for coral to live. below that level Atolls usually have coral grow at same rate as island sink, thus staying at sea level. Not Hawaii because tectonic plate action takes our islands to Alaska... if the plate action took the hotspot-made island East or West , we'd have hundreds of Hawaiian/Owhyheean Islands today....
picture = thousand words...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Maui_Nui_breakup.svg/610px-Maui_Nui_breakup.svg.png
RE: Honolulu Sues Chevron, Chevron Blames Cartoons - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-27-2022
sea level rise affects Hawaii zero kine….
I think the lawsuit is about the next 20 years, or 50 years, or 100 years.
Not about the Hawaiian Islands hundreds of thousands or millions of years in the future.
RE: Honolulu Sues Chevron, Keiki Sue Hawaii - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-28-2022
As Oahu County sues the oil companies, Hawaii's keiki sue the state DOT for a fossil fuel transportation infrastructure:
Now Kū, alongside 13 other young people, is suing the Hawaiian government for its failure to protect her constitutional right to a clean and healthful environment. Their lawsuit, filed in June and supported by the US nonprofits Our Children’s Trust and Earthjustice, is challenging the state’s Department of Transportation for operating a transportation system that the youth claim prioritizes fossil fuel–powered cars over mass transit and other environmentally friendly alternatives, contributing to greenhouse gas pollution. Their goal is to force the department to fully decarbonize by 2045.
The Hawaiian claimants, in particular, are optimistic. Leinā‘ala Ley, a senior associate attorney at Earthjustice and co-counsel in the lawsuit, says the basics of climate science are well established in Hawaiian politics and law. The state’s supreme court has already concluded that climate change “harms present and future generations” and that Hawai‘i is “vulnerable to the ecological damage caused by an unhealthy climate system.”
https://hakaimagazine.com/features/climate-activists-are-waging-a-new-kind-of-legal-fight/