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Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans? - MyManao - 10-03-2022
Interesting read.. seems the feds are looking to bolster Native American's concerns..
From.. https://theconversation.com/native-americans-decadeslong-struggle-for-control-over-sacred-lands-is-making-progress
Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans?
That is the question that the United States government and some states hope recent policy changes will address by giving Indigenous people greater input into managing such land. Co-management, as the policy is called, might alleviate the friction that emerges when sacred landscapes are managed without Native American input.
Mauna Kea, a 13,802-foot dormant volcano on the island of Hawaii, is one example. The mountain is managed as public land by the state of Hawaii. Native Hawaiians have protested the state’s management of Mauna Kea for decades, saying Hawaii has allowed too many research buildings on their sacred mountain, which disrupts their ability to practice their religion.
This kind of conflict is not unique to Hawaii. Indigenous peoples have lived in what is now the United States for thousands of years and developed intimate relationships with the lands they call home. For years, Native people across the country have demanded more input into how the government manages areas they consider sacred..
Full article at link above..
RE: Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans? - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-03-2022
Hawaii has allowed too many research buildings on their sacred mountain, which disrupts their ability to practice their religion.
Does that include removing the disruptive road which is built on sacred lands, creating noisy traffic as people drive back and forth, up and down, disturbing the practice of their religion?
And allows them to practice their religion without being put to death by their ruler for treading on sacred ground? As would have been the case at times in the past?
RE: Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans? - randomq - 10-04-2022
I feel anything that divides us or assigns rights based on religion, genetics, or "I was here first" is a step backwards. If people vote to give the lands back, or the lands are won back in court, fine. Until then, they are US lands and we all have equal rights as citizens.
We have too many things in the world today separating us, and pitting us against one another as it is.
RE: Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans? - MyManao - 10-04-2022
(10-03-2022, 11:18 PM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: allows them to practice their religion without being put to death by their ruler for treading on sacred ground?
Yeah Edge, I am pretty sure your ancestors lived in caves, beat each other with clubs, and overall were about as civilized as spit. Which is to say no worries brah, you're bigotry is still bright and shiny.. blindingly so.
I'm encouraged by our growing consideration of the indigenous people of our lands. I am sure those whose forefathers found pleaser in slaughtering anything that got in their way may feel cheated of some hard won dominance over man and nature alike, but that does not excuse their wrongs, and certainly doesn't belittle the losses of those they took everything from. Nah, I think this reckoning is a long time in coming. And am happy to know it's happening across the country, as it is here.
RE: Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans? - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-04-2022
I am pretty sure your ancestors lived in caves,
But I don't want to return to that golden era, the "good old days" of. yore when running water dripped down the stalactites.
Is anything I said untrue? Can the truth be called bigotry, just because you find it disagreeable?
RE: Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans? - MyManao - 10-04-2022
(10-04-2022, 03:30 AM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: Is anything I said untrue?
Every word is twisted, bastardized, you should be ashamed of yourself.
In fact, Edge, you've rushed to every opportunity to make similar statements throughout the years. Really, in most cases your's has been the first response, as it is here, whenever the opportunity presents itself. So much so I've conclude, long ago, you're filled with hate towards Hawaiians. Like I said, shame.
RE: Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans? - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-04-2022
So much so I've conclude, long ago,
Concluded incorrectly by the way. What you’ve really decided is that you don’t like inconvenient, documented facts which don’t support a Kum-By-Yah-around-the-campfire view of the past that you wish were true. I wish it were true too, but not to the point that I call people names when they point out written history. Like what happened when islanders accidentally stepped on an alii’s shadow.
Your imaginary view of how Mauna Kea was used in the past is mostly imaginary. Was it sacred, when viewed from a distance? Yes, it’s celebrated in song and hula dance. Did the average Hawaiian trek up its slopes and worship at the top? Please show me when, and how it was accomplished.
RE: Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans? - eightfingers2.0 - 10-04-2022
Define native.
Define religion.
RE: Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans? - MyManao - 10-04-2022
(10-04-2022, 04:20 AM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: Your imaginary view of how Mauna Kea was used in the past is mostly imaginary.
Considering that I have no ideas about how Mauna Kea was used in the past, other than staying a night in the middle off the adze quarry and being in awe of what it took to live up there.. to create those piles of rock chips.. I know nothing, and, I have said nothing about any of that. So, sorry, Edge, would you like to try again?
RE: Who should manage public land that is sacred to Native Americans? - Obie - 10-04-2022
"Considering that I have no ideas about how Mauna Kea was used in the past, other than staying a night in the middle off the adze quarry and being in awe of what it took to live up there.. to create those piles of rock chips.. I know nothing, and, I have said nothing about any of that. So, sorry, Edge, would you like to try again?"
Were you doing mushrooms or LSD ?