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DOG KILLING - sistersue - 02-02-2023
What kind of idiot lets their 4 large dogs out when there's a policeman in the yard with a gun? The killing of this dog is the dog owner's fault. Dogs aren't humans - they get overcome by instinct, and need their humans to protect them from themselves sometimes. Of course they're going to run at the cop. It looks like a friendly attack but how could the officer know that? My friend had one of his beautiful herding dogs murdered by a neighbor with a crossbow because the dogs were chasing his sheep and trying to herd them, so he was slaughtered even though no human was in danger at all. My friend still hates this guy after 14 years, but I can't help but also blame my dog owner friend for not repairing his fence. You have to watch over your dogs so they don't get hurt or killed. jmo
RE: DOG KILLING - terracore - 02-02-2023
(02-02-2023, 12:01 AM)sistersue Wrote: What kind of idiot lets their 4 large dogs out when there's a policeman in the yard with a gun? The killing of this dog is the dog owner's fault. Dogs aren't humans - they get overcome by instinct, and need their humans to protect them from themselves sometimes. Of course they're going to run at the cop. It looks like a friendly attack but how could the officer know that? My friend had one of his beautiful herding dogs murdered by a neighbor with a crossbow because the dogs were chasing his sheep and trying to herd them, so he was slaughtered even though no human was in danger at all. My friend still hates this guy after 14 years, but I can't help but also blame my dog owner friend for not repairing his fence. You have to watch over your dogs so they don't get hurt or killed. jmo
"It looks like a friendly attack". When you're being rushed by 4 pitbulls purposely released by their owners after they fail to open the door when a warrant is being served, nothing looks like a friendly attack.
I've had to put down 2 sheep in the last month that were mauled by a dog(s?) that trespassed onto our property to do so. I got a picture of a dog that was seen on our neighbor's property right before it happened. It looks a lot like a dog that killed all of our neighbor's goats and sheep a few months ago. A few days later I was walking my dog ON A LEASH ON MY OWN PROPERTY when we were rushed by a dog that looked nothing like the suspect dog that was on our neighbor's property. It was obviously not a feral, it looked well kept and had a newish looking collar. I don't know if it was a "friendly attack" or not, my dog went into full defensive mode. Fortunately I was carrying pepper spray and was able to spray the stray dog. It retreated, but then after about 15 seconds came running back and I sprayed it again. I immediately called the wife who rushed a rifle out to our location, but the dog did not return. I'm sure the owners were pissed to have their dog come home covered in bright red pepper spray, but I probably saved that dogs life. My dog wanted at it, and I would have done whatever necessary to protect ourselves.
About 7 years ago a dog or dogs killed most of our sheep, left one for dead with it's intestines hanging out, and caused substantial injuries to the only survivor. I was out of town and the wife had to call a neighbor over to put down the sheep with the guts hanging out. (She has since become proficient how to handle a firearm). Only one of our sheep survived the attack. We're able to fence our livestock in, and do our best to fence the dogs out, but pigs make proper fencing a moving target, and it's not my job to keep dogs out of our livestock paddocks. That responsibility falls clearly onto the dog owner.
We're both dog lovers and would be devastated if our dogs got out, chased somebody's sheep, and got killed for it. But we would have only ourselves to blame and would never hate the person for doing it. Frankly, considering the damage that stray dogs have done to our sweat, financial, and emotional equity, if we see dogs chasing our livestock we're not going to risk losing more animals trying to determine if the dog is herding or hurting them. Getting charged by a dog on our own property is the exclamation point to that sentiment.
RE: DOG KILLING - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 02-02-2023
trying to determine if the dog is herding or hurting
When I had dogs and walked them on a public road, I couldn't count the number of times we encountered an unleashed "pet" that ran at us only to have the distant owner shout out "don't worry s/he's friendly!" Then after a far less than pleasant encounter they would add "s/he's never done that before!"
If I had a dead dog for every time one did something for the first time it would be quite a pile of dead dogs.
Video of incident in the original post:
https://bigislandnow.com/2023/01/31/body-cam-footage-police-officer-charged-by-four-dogs-shoots-and-kills-one-of-them/
RE: DOG KILLING - terracore - 02-02-2023
(02-02-2023, 02:12 AM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: trying to determine if the dog is herding or hurting
When I had dogs and walked them on a public road, I couldn't count the number of times we encountered an unleashed "pet" that ran at us only to have the distant owner shout out "don't worry s/he's friendly!" Then after a far less than pleasant encounter they would add "s/he's never done that before!"
If I had a dead dog for every time one did something for the first time it would be quite a pile of dead dogs.
Video of incident in the original post:
https://bigislandnow.com/2023/01/31/body-cam-footage-police-officer-charged-by-four-dogs-shoots-and-kills-one-of-them/
That's really an apples/oranges comparison. You're talking about being out on a public street. If you were walking your sheep on a leash in a public space I could possibly see how you could try to tie these completely unrelated experiences together, but only if every experience you had resulted in dead or mortally wounded sheep, with nobody calling after their dogs or financially compensating you for your loss. I have a pile of dead sheep and left one dog mildly and temporarily inconvenienced by pepper spray.
Try again?
RE: DOG KILLING - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 02-02-2023
Try again?
I was agreeing with you, using my experience with my dogs being attacked, since I don't have any sheep.
One of my dogs did have her leg broken by a "friendly" "never did that before" unleashed "pet." It cost me $900 for the vet bill. Guess how much the owners of the attacking dog (completely uninjured) offered to pay? Dust, on their hasty retreat.
RE: DOG KILLING - terracore - 02-02-2023
My bad. Misunderstood. No reason to try again. Like I said, we had a lot of emotional equity in those mauled sheep. They had names and personalities.
I had similar experience to yours (even the cost of the bill), but the owner of the dog was a neighbor and really didn't have any choice but to pay the vet bill.
RE: DOG KILLING - kalakoa - 02-02-2023
Don't the "rules and laws for everyone" require that dogs not be allowed to run loose?
Perhaps especially while being served with a warrant?
RE: DOG KILLING - Punaperson - 02-02-2023
To Terracore and your wife: So sorry about the emotional trauma of what you went through losing your sheep - it's never easy to deal with violence on your homestead.
I've had a bad experience with people who lived up the street here in OLE, and kept their dogs chained while they were at work to 'protect' their home, but they thought that since they lived 'in the country' ( their words ), they could let their dogs loose both before and after their working hours. I had previously bought a paint ball gun to scare the pigs away, and was able to nail one of the chicken-killing dogs square in the face when it came down my driveway early one morning. The owners came around asking if I knew anything about who had ' freaked out their dog '. I told them that their dog was taking food off my table by killing my laying hens, and their response was 'it's only a chicken - what's the big deal '.
I know that the only constant is change, but a change I find hard to deal with is why people have moved to Puna, OLE especially, in the last few years. It used to be people moved here to literally 'be in the country', and had sense of responsibility to their neighbors. Now it seems that people move here because 'it's cheaper than HPP'.
RE: DOG KILLING - dobanion - 02-02-2023
Got my own story on this one. Neighbor has 3 "hunting dogs." Usual pit mix, mean as hell, etc. Got loose, and roamed the neighborhood looking for a good time. Ran in the front door of my place, grabbed a small, friendly, and docile dog, and took off with it to presumably tear it to shreds for entertainment. My tenant goes after his dog and gets into a fist fight with the hunting dogs. Gets mauled pretty badly, but saves his dog.
Those hunting dogs are still around.
RE: DOG KILLING - Durian Fiend - 02-03-2023
Wow, it seems I've got it fairly good with the only dog problem being inconsiderate owners allowing them to bark outside at night. Not in my immediate area, but close enough to hear due to sound traveling so well in the jungle.
The height of dog owner irresponsibility is letting them loose to roam the streets or other properties. It shouldn't be a surprise to these people if their dogs never return.