+- Punaweb Forum (http://punaweb.org/forum)
+-- Forum: Punaweb Forums (http://punaweb.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=3)
+--- Forum: Punatalk (http://punaweb.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=10)
+--- Thread: Pigs pigs pigs & even more about pigs (/showthread.php?tid=23472)
Pigs pigs pigs & even more about pigs - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 11-16-2024
More than you thought was possible about pigs:
With the backing of the Pele Defense Fund, a nonprofit that defends native rights, Palama ended up successfully getting the charges dismissed in December 2015. At trial, a historian from the University of Hawai‘i, Jon Kamakawiwo‘ole Osorio, testified that “hunting pig is traditional and customary to Hawaiian culture, religion, ohana,” according to a court transcript.
Despite a ruling in Palama’s favor, there is some debate about how widespread pig hunting was prior to European contact. Osorio’s documentary evidence was limited. (Osorio declined to comment, and the Palamas could not be reached.) Palama’s style of hunting, known as dog-and-knife, is generally thought to have been introduced by the Portuguese. Moreover, prior to Cook’s arrival, native Hawaiians had largely kept their pigs corralled. After all, their irrigated taro fields and sweet potato crops were incompatible with free-range swine.
https://hakaimagazine.com/features/islands-of-the-feral-pigs/?utm_source=Hakai+Magazine+Weekly&utm_campaign=8a3ac31bc3-weekly-nov-1-2024&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0fc1967411-8a3ac31bc3-121612361
RE: Pigs pigs pigs & even more about pigs - Punatang - 11-17-2024
Great article Edge. Thanks for sharing. I had to get a trap recently after a particular swine decided to continually take more than his fair share of our sweet potatoes. He became smoke meat and we recuperated our loss. I had one as a pet once long ago. She was a tiny "squeaker" who was caught in a Hawaiian farmer's trap. They are much more intelligent than dogs and very loyal and loving. She would come running out of the forest whenever I called her.
This reminded me of your other post in another thread today. No aloha for invaders.
Many of the new fences on Kaua‘i and other islands have proven controversial among hunters, including native Hawaiians, who have already had their access to land blocked by wealthy landowners erecting fences around their private Xanadus. “The only invasive species is the white man coming in the forest and fencing,” reads one public comment submitted in response to a fencing proposal on the island of Hawai‘i, also known as the Big Island.
ETA: More on scrubs...
They could continue their subsistence traditions, at least until the plantations were subdivided and sold off to new arrivals like Mark Zuckerberg and Bette Midler, who began controlling access to their compounds with gates, walls, and fences. “People cannot go hunt like they used to,” he says. “Shame on the American people who stop cultural heritage.”
RE: Pigs pigs pigs & even more about pigs - Olohana 1790 - 11-22-2024
fwiw Hawaiians invented and had small bows and arrows but all they did was shoot rats for fun with them ...
common sense might tell you precontact..... Owhyheeans NEVER Hunted a Pig ...on purpose. EVER!!!
they were domesticated Pigs..... duh duh
and Hawaians were supersuper lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy. they didnt even hunt Vancouvers cows post 1790's.... they waited decades until haoleman Parker did it all, cause he one hard working haole faka... the oppo of 1 lazykine Hawaiian of the Era
the ftard Oahu kine cement island poser that said that 'hunting tradition' bs is 1clueless faka ...
da kine that calls 'Atooi'.... 'Aw two eeee' when its really Capt Cook phonetics spelling ie 'Ah-Two Eye'
meaning A= that's..... tooi (two-eye) =kauai..... A-tooi. ..............like O-Whyhee. O = that's..... Whyhee =Hawaii
Ahedo..... A = that's...... hido = Hilo
iow. if you 1Polynesia(Hawaiian).... try go library and read a Hawaii history book /month
aroha
Mark Fuckerberg on Kauai only owns a few hundred acres. st fu. about him and Bette. ... u 1 clueless faka
fyi the haole that owns like 1/5th of Kauai/Atooi island is the Robinson/Sinclair family...they from NewHolland/Aussie and have owned the chunk on Atooi and entire Niihau/Oneeheeahoo island for 175 yrs now....
RE: Pigs pigs pigs & even more about pigs - HiloJulie - 11-22-2024
(11-22-2024, 07:01 AM)Olohana 1790 Wrote: fwiw Hawaiians invented and had small bows and arrows but all they did was shoot rats for fun with them ...
common sense might tell you precontact..... Owhyheeans NEVER Hunted a Pig ...on purpose. EVER!!!
they were domesticated Pigs..... duh duh
and Hawaians were supersuper lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy. they didnt even hunt Vancouvers cows post 1790's.... they waited decades until haoleman Parker did it all, cause he one hard working haole faka... the oppo of 1 lazykine Hawaiian of the Era
the ftard Oahu kine cement island poser that said that 'hunting tradition' bs is 1clueless faka ...
da kine that calls 'Atooi'.... 'Aw two eeee' when its really Capt Cook phonetics spelling ie 'Ah-Two Eye'
meaning A= that's..... tooi (two-eye) =kauai..... A-tooi. ..............like O-Whyhee. O = that's..... Whyhee =Hawaii
Ahedo..... A = that's...... hido = Hilo
iow. if you 1Polynesia(Hawaiian).... try go library and read a Hawaii history book /month
aroha
Mark Fuckerberg on Kauai only owns a few hundred acres. st fu. about him and Bette. ... u 1 clueless faka
fyi the haole that owns like 1/5th of Kauai/Atooi island is the Robinson/Sinclair family...they from NewHolland/Aussie and have owned the chunk on Atooi and entire Niihau/Oneeheeahoo island for 175 yrs now....
What an absolute pile of pure pig manure of history here!
As well as showing great respect for the Hawaiian people.
Absolute garbage.
RE: Pigs pigs pigs & even more about pigs - Durian Fiend - 11-23-2024
(11-16-2024, 11:33 PM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: More than you thought was possible about pigs:Interesting. So the subsistence tradition is fairly new, perhaps only a couple hundred years long at most. After the larger English pigs were introduced by Cook and went feral...
With the backing of the Pele Defense Fund, a nonprofit that defends native rights, Palama ended up successfully getting the charges dismissed in December 2015. At trial, a historian from the University of Hawai‘i, Jon Kamakawiwo‘ole Osorio, testified that “hunting pig is traditional and customary to Hawaiian culture, religion, ohana,” according to a court transcript.
Despite a ruling in Palama’s favor, there is some debate about how widespread pig hunting was prior to European contact. Osorio’s documentary evidence was limited. (Osorio declined to comment, and the Palamas could not be reached.) Palama’s style of hunting, known as dog-and-knife, is generally thought to have been introduced by the Portuguese. Moreover, prior to Cook’s arrival, native Hawaiians had largely kept their pigs corralled. After all, their irrigated taro fields and sweet potato crops were incompatible with free-range swine.
https://hakaimagazine.com/features/islands-of-the-feral-pigs/?utm_source=Hakai+Magazine+Weekly&utm_campaign=8a3ac31bc3-weekly-nov-1-2024&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0fc1967411-8a3ac31bc3-121612361