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Utilities - HADave - 12-08-2005
Power, Telephone, cable service, internet access, satelite service. I would like to discuss how these utilities are brought to the home or the best ways to be brought to the home. overhead, underground, etc.
Provisions will need to be made at the time of site preperation, whether it be in the form of clearing or trenching. I've read overhead provides a titerope for critters to gain access to a roof. Does a clear path between poles have to be provided for the power/phone/cable company ? As in do the lines usually follow driveways?
power, I have seen an unpermitted listing, mls 165493 Fern Acres, with what is described as a permanent power pole, with a meter enclosure installed as well. Also I've been told of others that people have seen driving throughout the subdivisions. Is power delivered as long as an approved location is made available such as these poles?
Dave
RE: Utilities - David D - 12-08-2005
Hey Dave,
About a year ago, I called HELCO to ask about the cost of a pole. They told me it was $5K per pole, Period. (!)
There is a water meter for our property, but the meter is about 1200’ from the probable house site. The three quotes to install piping worked out to $10.50 per foot, $12.00 per foot, and $15.50 per foot of buried 1” Bristolpipe, to Code. (I feel 1” to be too small over that distance, hydraulic-ly speaking, and will go to 1½” minimum.)
As far as TV is concerned, locally in Nor Cal, I have been happy with Dish Network and it is offered on the Big Island. I have not looked into cable availability in my area (near Kurtistown, just past the 9 Mile Marker on Highway 11, on the mauka side).
As for an Internet Connection, Coconut Wireless appears to cover my area, http://www.coconut-wireless.net/#
Although it will be more expensive to have the utilities buried, I feel that in the long run it will be worth the expense. We won’t have to look at wires for the next 30 years!
Also, everything I have CURRENTLY read, HELCO will not supply power to property if there is not an official “Permit to Build” in hand.
I have not done any investigation on phone service. We thought to go straight CelPhone.
Well, that’s my two cents worth.
Good Luck!
David D
RE: Utilities - adias - 12-09-2005
Aloha All,
For electric poles, what is the span from pole to pole in feet? I assume of course that all other utilities piggy pack off these poles (phone cables etc). Is there any fee for that?
Also, if anyone knows off hand, how long does it take to get electric installed and extra poles put in.
Ajit
Edited by - adias on 12/09/2005 10:49:58
RE: Utilities - leilaniguy - 12-09-2005
Aloha all, so many subjects! satellite tv; I have it, works OK, except on monsoon days, rain fade can last hours at a time. cell phones can be spotty, they don't work reliably here in Leilani at all. HELCO requires a clear path from street to meter with no obstacles. The power pole you refer to is called a "permanent temporary"-I know, oxymoronic. I had one put up in HPP, the big advantage is not having to let meter reader on property. you MUST have an open permit before they will hook up. all utilites can be run on power poles, I've never heard of them cross-charging for pole use, but I don't think they ask each other either, my sat. dish is nailed to my power pole, always thought that was odd. poles on private property are shorter than street supply poles, are usually 100' apart. HELCO is pretty prompt about installation, they want the income. I assume everybody here has paid their SSSP fees, if any?
RE: Utilities - HADave - 12-22-2005
I just want to add this article here for info on power installation costs. Distances between poles and minimum distance from grid to home diect connection.
Tribune article dated May 2001
www.provisiontechnologies.com/power_to_the_people_53101.html
RE: Utilities - wyatt - 01-20-2006
wanted. Temp electric power pole and meter panel. must be to helco specs.I will pick up. email price and details.
thanks
RE: Utilities - Kapohocat - 02-01-2006
for the specs on the temp pole - go to the Helco engineering office - at 54 Halekauila St.
As for power, you actually do not have to have a permit for temp power - HELCO will put in temp power for 1 year. HELCO does try to deter this with obstacles, but if your permit isnt ready yet, you may still get power - the cost is just higher.
RE: Utilities - Hotzcatz - 03-21-2006
You should be able to get phone service (if the location allows - i.e. close enough to the phone lines) without a building permit in hand. The electric folks are the one who require the permit.
We have an electric pole in our front yard about fifty feet from the house and can't connect to it because we have no building permit. At the time we were installing electrical, we didn't want to bring our unpermitted house up to code (2" x 4" floor joists among other things) so we installed solar electric instead. (Works great!) Since then, we have found out that we don't need a building permit because our house was built before 1915 and has documentation showing it existed prior to 1930. (I guess houses outlive paperwork.) So if your house is old enough, you can get electric service without a permit.
I think with a permit to get "temporary" power, they only provide the power for two years or so. There was something about a time limit for temporary power, but I'm not sure of the exact details.
It is also simple enough to build a temporary power pole. Get the requirements from Helco (a 4" x 4" pole, a meter socket box and other assorted fittings) and you can buy the parts from the electrical supply houses in Hilo and put them together pretty easy. I've built a couple and I'm not an electrician. You can use them and then sell them for more than you paid for the parts afterwards.
We did have some difficulty with the TV cable folks since we weren't listed on their "map" of lots. I would have thought lack of electrical service would be the determining factor, but it was some error in their map instead. We did eventually get service after we were able to convince them we existed.
A hui hou,
Cathy
RE: Utilities - Kapohocat - 03-28-2006
In almost 20 years, I have never seen HELCO actually pull permanently "temp" power from anyone as long as bill remains paid. Capitalism at its best! ha ha
I've seen people in HA that have had temp poles for many years.
-Cat
RE: Utilities - pam jones - 03-29-2006
What's the truth about digging the holes for the power pole? I know it has to go down something like eight feet and have two rods at least 12" apart that go down another couple of feet but does all this HAVE to be done by a certified electrician or on his/her command? If you have the coveted orange card and all i's dotted, t's crossed, are you at the mercy of the blood suckers to pay out the wazoo to have just the pole put in the ground? Maybe I should call Mr. Inspector man to get these answers but some of these crazy restrictions and rules are just off the charts - well- crazy!! Especially when you consider that many of our sheds on the mainland were nicer and actually more sound than some of the so-called places people call home around here. There is a guy living down the street here in HPP w/ at least 3 broken cars and tarps for a home and the other day as I walked past his property, I heard his phone ringing! What's up with that?! Have rules only just now been put on the books in time for the latest real e$tate inva$ion? Ok. Back to my real question. What's the true scoop on getting power on your land once you have cleared out a 10' area for the power line and found a spot 97' from the pole on the side of the road? Any recommendations as to who can do this at a reasonable price, I'm a Jones, not a Rockefeller! pj