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Yurts information ,free of "personal" stuff - StillHope - 03-12-2008
Aloha,everyone!
This section of the forum is a wealth of very useful information.Thanks to the wonderful people on this forum who helped me in my project generously ,not expecting anything in return.As an example,just got e-mail from Hotzcatz(thank you!) with advice on the plans,being drafted by a different person,which,buy the way,was highly recommended to me by the other member.
Of course,I am reading a lot on this forum too.
But often a very important and useful information gets drowned in the long discussions on a different subject and personal stuff.Yurt thread is an extreme example and for some reason was in 2 different sections of Punaweb.
Not everyone has time,patience and concentration to extract the information,which could be crucial,especially in the case of unconventional dwellings when there are more challenges on the road
than information available.
I can explain my idea on the yurts example.
I would prefer that someone else (the knowledgeable and respectful person on this forum):
1.summarize,get predrafted version of the reference;
2.ask the professionals in the business if the facts are correct;
3.with the majority approval post the refined version with the note that there are different opinions on the subject ,use the "search button";
4.advice the readers that the information is not the exact guide,the forum members are not responsible for any problems resulting from using it;
5.Direct the new members to post their opinion in the original thread.
I'll explain why the yurt subject is so important to me.
Not so long ago I was like Lostboystoy,so excited that I'll be leaving "mortgage free,rent free",I was telling all my friends..
Thanks to this forum I realize that yurts are not that cheap.
If the complete information was available for me from the very beginning I wouldn't waste my time and the time of the owner of The Yurts of Hawaii.Btw,despite what some people might think,our communication was civil.
For someone else yurt could be the right choice.
But that person's decision should be the informed one.
I really want someone else to try this,but may I suggest
the preliminary version:
1.As already established ,yurts are alternative dwellings and can have all modern conveniences.
2.They are permitable,though using the professionals is highly recommended,since there were instances of denial of the permits.(Please,use the "search" button).
Though the minimum size of the dwelling is different in the building code,only 30' yurts (about 800 sq ft) are guaranteed to be permitted.
3.The construction process most likely will require cash,since unconventional structures are problems for lenders.
4.Just the construction itself (without septic,plumbing,catchment,electrical) could cost up to $30K.
The prices are subject to change and differs depending on your choice of builder.
5.Insurance process is difficult.Consult the professionals.
6.Selling process is restricted mostly to cash buyers or seller financing.At this time there are no information on a loan being issued on the Big Island.
It was just an example.May be someone have a better version.
Thank you for your time.
RE: Yurts information ,free of "personal" stuff - jdirgo - 03-13-2008
You are essentially asking someone to take on the job of full-time editor. That's a huge task, unpaid, for someone to do just to potentially make it easier for someone else to use the information.
Punaweb is an online forum and community, not Punapedia. Its too easy for someone "editing" to allow their own opinion to influence the end result. You mentioned that the "majority opinion" would govern what summarized information would be posted -- to which I ask, a "majority" of who? Those who have an interest and choose to vote or all of Punaweb? In any self-selected poll (those who choose to participate), bias and unobjective opinions are the rule, not the exception. Personally, I'd rather see the unedited (and relatively uncensored) variety of opinions.
If someone has a personal need or interest in the information, I think it should be up to them to spend the time to read through whatever the Punawebbers choose to post rather than asking someone else to do the work for them for free.
Punaweb doesn't "owe" anyone anything (well, except Rob for creating it and all he seems to ask for is that we respect him and each other).
If someone doesn't want to take the time to learn from an unedited free-flowing discussion, they're not really interested. What they really want is someone else to make the decision for them -- that way they can blame Punaweb when they make a mistake, rather than owning up to "there was a diversity of opinions, I read them and I chose X. X turned out to be wrong, but it wasn't because someone else chose to edit the topic to favor X."
Editing is NEVER completely unbiased. And a "majority opinion" and "truth" sometimes visit each other, but they are not married or even living together.
John Dirgo, R, ABR, e-PRO
Aloha Coast Realty, LLC
808-987-9243 cell
http://www.alohacoastrealty.com
RE: Yurts information ,free of "personal" stuff - Kelena - 03-13-2008
Oh.......snap.
RE: Yurts information ,free of "personal" stuff - StillHope - 03-13-2008
John,I do agree with you that it is a full time unpaid editor job.
And I realize that the idea in general doesn't have much chance to survive,since most of people are too busy.Though,it would be nice to have Punapedia.
I still would like to at least edit the yurts.
I would be better if I don't post the summary for obvious reasons
In the proposed version I tried to be as objective as possible.Anything you would change?
I have the e-mail from a lady,who bought 2 Pacific Yurts ,failed to permit and had to sell them.She had all this nightmare during her pregnancy.I just want to help people like her.
Again,I tried to stick only facts and not to say anything negative.
Would appreciate any input what needs to be corrected.
RE: Yurts information ,free of "personal" stuff - Kapohocat - 03-13-2008
quote:
Originally posted by jdirgo...Punapedia...
HA HA HA HA HA HA ! I love it!
Catherine Dumond
Blue Water Project Management
808 965-9261
"We help make building your dream home a reality"
RE: Yurts information ,free of "personal" stuff - jdirgo - 03-13-2008
No, I appreciate what you've said and you're right about many things. I also wish there was a Punapedia. The problem is -- how do we get one that is truly objective and fair (and who decides). I thought your summary on yurts was accurate and well-reasoned. It took a long way for all that information to come out and those conclusions to be reached. I'm not sure that we (the collective "we") can really shorten that process. Sometimes things just take as long as they take.
John Dirgo, R, ABR, e-PRO
Aloha Coast Realty, LLC
808-987-9243 cell
http://www.alohacoastrealty.com
RE: Yurts information ,free of "personal" stuff - StillHope - 03-13-2008
Thanks for the input,John!
I could think of at least one person on the forum whose knowledge is almost encyclopedic.But it is not fair to make this person(or any other one) to take responsibility.
What I am thinking( let's take the yurt example),that a regular person with the desire and ability and time to research and summarize (I would be happy to help)posts a preliminary version and asks forum if the summary correctly reflects what has been said on the topic.
Summary-is a key word.Facts-another one.
And the style should be neutral and free of any (even hints!) on someone's opinion in particular.No advice whose business to use,just "search the original thread recommendation".
So,the predrafted summary stays that way until everyone interested
in facts posted.
In the yurt case I can do it,but only if noone else wants.
RE: Yurts information ,free of "personal" stuff - David M - 03-13-2008
Right on John - well said. Punapedia hmmmmmm
I don't think we need to have another yurt thread, be it summarized, edited, expanded or otherwise unless it is by a new poster with a new question. Let's quit beating the dead horse.
David
Ninole Resident
RE: Yurts information ,free of "personal" stuff - Carolann R - 03-13-2008
Is there a dead horse...er, elephant in the room???[
]Okay, I'll bite - YES a Wooley Mammoth!!!
Carrie
http://www.carrierojo.etsy.com
http://www.vintageandvelvet.blogspot.com
"Freedom has a scent like the top of a newborn baby's head..." U2
RE: Yurts information ,free of "personal" stuff - StillHope - 03-14-2008
Sorry,I edited the name of the tread,since I realized,that the general idea is not practical.
David,I understand your point.I didn't want to continue the discussion.
Yurt construction-it's like a mine field.No real information available.
Someone can hurt himself financially big time.And the idea is always appealing to those,who are far from being reach.
I feel partially responsible for the outcome of the 2 treads on 2 different forum subdivisions,and that's why I tried to correct it.
Remember,Lostboystoy didn't realize who is the owner of the yurt business(and he was the most interested party!).For obvious reason-the thread was overloaded.
You are all smart and knowledgable in construction.Not everyone is.
Please,think of those people,who might not recover from the financial loss and not reject the summary just because it is coming from not your favorite person.