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This is my rifle, this is my gun..... - Kelena - 11-19-2008
By the power invested in me (point, click, type, post) I am starting a new thread on the important topic raised by Beachboy: what to do about larceny and burglary in Puna.
This WAS the gun-free version of that thread (no more -- comments below took care of that). Irrespective of your feelings toward guns, I think we can agree that my having a gun will not protect my property when I am not at home. Most burglaries occur when the resident is not at home. This thread is NOT about burglaries that occur when the resident is present or when the resident comes home to discover a burglary in progress.
The problems I see are as follows: 1) Hawaii has a culture of larceny going back to Captain Cook who was killed as he investigated the theft of boat. 2) Puna is very large and the police, even if they were so inclined, are inadequate in numbers to patrol and prevent burglaries. 3) When there is a burglary or incident of larceny, police are diffident about investigating it and are slow to do so. In fact, they may never do so. Catching a thief or burglar in the act is unusual. 4) There is a perception that the police department regards larceny and burglary as unimportant. 5) The police department is not proactive in informing residents about a rash of burglaries and where they are occuring. Its website does not include a crime map, for example.
Solutions are hard to come by. The best solution is a well-paid police force that has its priorities in order, and that works well with, and is not diffident to or dismissive of, the community.
All I can think of for now is this:
1) A resolution asking the Police Department to make larceny and burglary its number one priority, except for investigations of crimes of violence.
2) A request that the Police Department post an up-to-date crime map (volunteer to assist in setting it up).
Your thoughts (other than "get a gun") are welcome. For the record, I support the entire bill of rights, including the 2nd Amendment. But gun talk distracts from solving the problem before us.
RE: This is my rifle, this is my gun..... - rbakker - 11-19-2008
Good idea Glen.
To combat something you need to know more about it. Is there any info freely available on the numbers and types of burglaries in Puna? What's usually stolen?
I think it's a good idea to get an alarm system and/or a dog. If either isn't feasible then get signs warning of an alarm system and/or a dog. Give the crooks a reason to go elsewhere.
Also, set stuff up so it looks like there's someone at home. Have the radio playing, put shoes outside the front door, make it difficult to see if the car is in the garage or not.
Hide valuables in your house, if they're portable enough. I once heard that the last place they'll look is in the kitchen.
RE: This is my rifle, this is my gun..... - Jon - 11-19-2008
so -
1) crimes of violence
2) larceny and burglary (theft)
3) traffic related crimes
4) Safety related activity's
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234) bust the drug users that cause most of the above crimes ([
])I looked and I could not find a list of priorities for the Hawaii Police Department.
Do they have one?
First problem....
Core Values
Integrity
Professionalism
Compassion
Teamwork
Community Satisfaction
Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"
RE: This is my rifle, this is my gun..... - rbakker - 11-19-2008
I've had some dealings with the police in Puna and in my experience they scored full marks. Don't think twice about reporting a burglary.
RE: This is my rifle, this is my gun..... - Greg - 11-19-2008
I think a sting operation would be a great way to catch some of these creeps and make others think twice. It would be easy to set up and document with video cameras.
Since the police are understaffed, maybe there are grants available to do this in the private sector.
Hell, maybe it could be a TV show like "Dog the Bountyhunter".
Please, no mullets.
RE: This is my rifle, this is my gun..... - Jon - 11-19-2008
I think that most burglaries here on the big island are done so at the convenience of the crooks. Meaning.. they see a good target at the moment.
I also bet most of underage so even if they get caught, nothing happens to them.
Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"
RE: This is my rifle, this is my gun..... - Guest - 11-19-2008
quote:Maryland has a Community Crime Prevention Grant Program for things like this.
Originally posted by Greg
I think a sting operation would be a great way to catch some of these creeps and make others think twice. It would be easy to set up and document with video cameras.
Since the police are understaffed, maybe there are grants available to do this in the private sector.
Hell, maybe it could be a TV show like "Dog the Bountyhunter".
Please, no mullets.
Maybe some Federal Money will flow into Hawaii from congress for community policing now that Hawaii is on the map with Obama.
It wouldn't be hard to do really. However, it may be timely.
What if the "Sting" never panders out and you've wasted time and resources while other neighborhoods are getting hit up at the same time?
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RE: This is my rifle, this is my gun..... - Guest - 11-19-2008
Anything you do to try to stop burglaries can be overcome.
I think you have to have a holistic approach which includes all or most of the following.
Hide valuables.
Disguise valuables.
Have at least two trained guard dogs (black so they are hard to see at night)
Geese and or Guinea fowl.
Good Fences
Obstacles to make taking large or heavy items hard or impossible.
Motion detectors with lights and sirens.
Make your house look like some one is there by having lights going on and off.
Make your place look intimidating.
Booby traps (non-lethal)
Be very selective about whom you invite over.
And finally since this is a non-gun thread, if you catch someone, get in as many machete hacks on 'em about the head and shoulders prior to calling the cops or coroner.
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RE: This is my rifle, this is my gun..... - Laughing_girl - 11-19-2008
Either always close your gate - home or gone, or never close your gate - home or gone. Don't close your gate just when gone or you might as well get a blinking neon sign that says "HEY I AM GONE, PLEASE ROB ME".
RE: This is my rifle, this is my gun..... - csgray - 11-19-2008
If you have enough room I think that setting your place up so no one can tell from the road who or what is inside is a good start; also placing your gate a little way up the driveway so it is easy to open and close makes you more inclined to keep it closed and locked. I like the geese suggestion, they are loud, are often really mean, can be super territorial and wouldn't be bribed by steak!
Carol