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Temp electric and no finaled permit - lavalinda - 03-26-2009
Wondered if anyone knows if temp eletric is more than regular. I'm trying to buy a unpermited home that has a temporary pole since 1977.
Permits were pulled for the house 77 and the tax assessor shows that taxes are being on the structure but it was never finaled.
Some items will have to be changed on the structure to get it permited however we may just keep it the way it is.
Do you think it odd that taxes are being paid on a unpermitted home?
It is a very sweet home in a beautiful setting and area and a bargain price.
Many Mahalos if you know!
RE: Temp electric and no finaled permit - jerry - 03-26-2009
Yes, temporary (construction) power costs more per kw than regular power. 20 or 30% I think. There are hundreds of places like this.
The old permits will probably no longer be valid, so you may have to do it as an as built--there are many factors involved. Other people on this forum (Cathy) can tell you everything you need to know.
Jerry
electrical contractor
RE: Temp electric and no finaled permit - gtill - 03-26-2009
Be careful buying an unpermitted, the permit is surely expired, and even if the re upped it for you, it would require coming up to code. Especially the footings. You will probably require shear wall corners. Talk to someone who really knows their stuff.
They paid the taxes because they didn't want to see it auctioned off.
RE: Temp electric and no finaled permit - John S. Rabi - 03-26-2009
I would stay away from that property. The building code has changed a lot since 1977, so it's not just unpermitted but not up to code either, and it might cost you a fortune to get it up to code. Someone from the county could show up at your door any time with a notice that you either demolish the place or bring it up to code and permit it.
Aloha,
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RE: Temp electric and no finaled permit - gtill - 03-26-2009
Yep, and they're harder on redos than new construction.
RE: Temp electric and no finaled permit - Kapohocat - 03-26-2009
Hmmm.... it is possible but definitely a lengthy arduous process to get something re-permitted (and finaled with current updates) that had an original permit pulled in 1977.
That said, there is a small possibility (very small) that it was finaled at some point (unless the current owners know for sure it was not) and county records went astray for a little while in the early 90’s. Some things to check out – who is the original architect who signed off on the prints? Do they have any records on it still (letters to the county etc.) ? Talk to Nani at Bldg – she was the inspector here at that time – she may give you more insight than just someone at the counter. Do you have a set of the prints that were stamped?
What does this place look like? Is it a Puna shack or was it actually built to the code at that time. Adding shear wall corners is not as difficult as one might think. Bringing the elec and plumbing up to code is more difficult if it is sheet rocked already.
RE: Temp electric and no finaled permit - lavalinda - 03-26-2009
[8D]Thanks Kapohocat for all the info! I guess I probably need go down to the building department. They seem to never answer their Phone.
The home looks well built not a shack.
Looks like I should probably do some more resarch before I jump in. The owner states she has homeowners insurance so I'm checking on that.The owner is being taxed on the home as though it is permited..which led me to believe that somewhere it is finaled.
Mahalo to everyone who answered.[8D]
RE: Temp electric and no finaled permit - Menehune - 03-26-2009
Aloha - lavalinda!
You can access County of Hawaii - Property Tax:
http://www.hawaiipropertytax.com/AccountSearch.asp?mnu=PSearch&submnu=Account&cookieCheck=1
Enter the TMK # per the instructions and you should be able to find out if it was permitted. Any problems - email me thru PW with the TMK#.
Aloha!
RE: Temp electric and no finaled permit - John S. Rabi - 03-26-2009
quote:Linda, there is no such a thing as "looks well built" and if I were you I certainly would hire a home inspector. As to the tax, the County of Hawaii levies property tax on all structures, permitted or not, as long as they know about it. [
Originally posted by lavalinda
The home looks well built not a shack.
The owner is being taxed on the home as though it is permited..which led me to believe that somewhere it is finaled.
]Aloha,
John S. Rabi, GM,ARB,BFT,CM,CBR,FHS,PB,RB
808.989.1314
http://www.JohnRabi.com
Typically Tropical Properties
"The Next Level of Service!"
RE: Temp electric and no finaled permit - Kapohocat - 03-26-2009
quote:
Originally posted by Menehune
Aloha - lavalinda!
You can access County of Hawaii - Property Tax:
http://www.hawaiipropertytax.com/AccountSearch.asp?mnu=PSearch&submnu=Account&cookieCheck=1
Enter the TMK # per the instructions and you should be able to find out if it was permitted. Any problems - email me thru PW with the TMK#.
Aloha!
Every once in awhile even these records go astray.