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Haena beach access or the lack of it - kimo wires - 07-12-2009
I hate to raise a stink or post a baited question....
But here it is and I'd like to hear as much feed back as possible. In a creative way.
but here's my BEEF.
I'm talking about Haena Beach. I know it's small and the only way to get to it is by a 4 to 5 hour round trip by WALKING from HPP.
I think that limited access should be granted by the Shipman family to local people who would like to enjoy the beach, but aren't physically up to the challenge of a 4 to 5 hour hike to get there. Or just in limited numbers until a certain cut off point.
Yeah. Vehicle access.......
If you look at Google earth you can see a ROAD all the way to the Shipman compound and the BEACH.
I realize that they don't want to be over run like Hanalei but
come on ...
There's got to be some common ground.
I'm sick of the RICH controlling everything.
If this were Maui or Oahu there would be protest demonstrations for this.
RE: Haena beach access or the lack of it - missydog1 - 07-12-2009
I don't like having the rich control it either.
That said, unless they want to or are compelled by law, they don't have to.
Why don't they have to provide access by law?
I don't know the history but I would speculate they haven't pulled any permits recently. If they built a resort there, they would have to provide access.
Public access easements aren't automatic. Maybe the only traditional access to this area was by the walk along the shoreline. It's a private road.
There is prime beach land on the west side that isn't accessible by a regular road in either.
Realize that this small beach WILL be overwhelmed by both tourists and residents when it can be reached by road. Or it will be like with the Mauna Kea. First cars of the day get the parking passes. Too bad then for disabled folks who can't get up that early. There won't be a great solution, because it's not the size of Hapuna.
RE: Haena beach access or the lack of it - pslamont - 07-12-2009
Now see, I think the opposite. I am disabled and can't make that hike no matter what, but I think having remote beaches and adventures is a great thing. Not everyone can see and/or do everything. There are other beaches with access for me. Let some things stay remote and unspoiled by the masses.
I want to be the kind of woman that, when my feet
hit the floor each morning, the devil says
"Oh Crap, She's up!"
RE: Haena beach access or the lack of it - Obie - 07-12-2009
This was discussed in this posting,Ocean access in Hawaii? What are the facts?,that I have bumped up.
RE: Haena beach access or the lack of it - Obie - 07-12-2009
I forgot to add that there was a 4 wheel drive road from HPP that people could use until vandals started abusing it with atv's and leaving trash behind.It was blocked off and that is now the hiking trail.
If they granted access to a few there would be complaints from those left out.To grant access to the disabled would be reverse discrimination.
RE: Haena beach access or the lack of it - Carey - 07-13-2009
Kimo, The road that you have noticed is the PRIVATE drive to their houses and yards and ranchlands. They do allow people of their acquaintance to visit their house & property, and though I have never been invited, I do know people that have been. They seem like a very nice & fairly open family, willing to donate much to their community... much more than many others in Puna.
Are you willing to open up YOUR drive, and yard to people you do not know, even on a limited basis? That is what you are saying in your post. Just think, the street in front of your land is public access, you have reasoned that people should have access to it from your back yard.....
ETA: many who walk in do not stay stictly on the 'path'.... even this straying goes onto their private lands... and yet even the county rec. dept. has organized hikes through this land. All I have ever heard is that the people are requested to respect the space, not litter & stay off of their private yards.... something you would think people would not even have to be asked, when visiting...
RE: Haena beach access or the lack of it - Chuysmom - 07-13-2009
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All I have ever heard is that the people are requested to respect the space, not litter & stay off of their private yards.... something you would think people would not even have to be asked, when visiting...
There's the rub.
Carrie Rojo
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Where there is love, I'll be there." MJ
RE: Haena beach access or the lack of it - Greg - 07-13-2009
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"To grant access to the disabled would be reverse discrimination."
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That's right! Take away all their good parking spaces too!
(just kidding)
punatoons
RE: Haena beach access or the lack of it - kimo wires - 07-13-2009
I know the Shipmans have done a lot for the residents of Puna.
If it wasn't for them, Real Estate would probably be a lot harder to come by since they practically owned all of Keaau at one time.
Carey If I owned that much prime ocean front land I WOULD provide better access to the community and give back. They could do it in such a way that they wouldn't even notice anything different except that there are a dozen or so people enjoying the beach.
And they could do a reservations list.
They have private security guards already. Just stick of them in a guard hut at the entrance.
They're filthy siinkin' rich already and have already made millions off their lands selling to the residents of Keaau.
Have you seen the road and properties that they allow Hawaiians to live on at the other side? Pathetic.
What an eye sore those prime beach front residences are..
BOGUS
One Thing I can always be sure of is that things will never go as expected.
RE: Haena beach access or the lack of it - kimo wires - 07-13-2009
I just read through Rob's thread on ocean access.
I didn't know of the past protests, arrests and convictions on the trespassing charges.
It Doesn't make me feel better about the situation.
Guess I'm beating a dead horse...
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