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State Pay Cuts may Close Kulani Prison - Carey - 07-22-2009
Gov. Lingle announced that ALL of the employees at Kulani are on the layoff list....
If this actually does happen Kulani will be closed....
No plans on then what...
RE: State Pay Cuts may Close Kulani Prison - Kapohocat - 07-23-2009
Scare tactics only, IMHO.
SOTP program is at Kulani for the state.
Moving everyone to another island's facility? Does not save money - Large costs to move prisoners.
RE: State Pay Cuts may Close Kulani Prison - Carey - 07-23-2009
The Trib. report on this today says that there are NO plans in place or announced by the Gov. to move the inmates...
Kenoi is stating the gov. is obligated to explain the impact of the decisions...
This is the states primary Sex Offender Treatment Program facility.... I would think that SOME fore thought was made on what to do with the inmates prior to announcing the layoff of ALL of the employees there. It seems that if there is a plan, the governor has decided not to tell...
RE: State Pay Cuts may Close Kulani Prison - JerryCarr - 07-23-2009
According to Mayor Kenoi’s office as reported in today’s Honolulu Star-Bulletin, Kulani employs 90 staff to look after 120 inmates. Like most state operated enterprises, it is likely no paragon of efficiency. Ergo, the inmates can probably be confined on the mainland for far less than it would cost to do so in our union shop state facilities. Personally, I think shipping away our convicts is not a good idea because it engenders an “out of sight, out of mind” mentality with regard to crime and punishment in Hawaii. I do, however, get the financial reality of cost here vs. cost elsewhere. And I don’t think Linda Lingle was the first state chief executive to farm out convicts.
RE: State Pay Cuts may Close Kulani Prison - Kelena - 07-23-2009
Just "privitazation" in action. Prediction -- a private company will take this over, whether on the mainland or in Hawaii.
RE: State Pay Cuts may Close Kulani Prison - Chuysmom - 07-23-2009
Thanks for your comment, Glen. Yes, she wants to privatize as much as she can. So we can count on child care programs to be one of those.
I know people at Kulani who have said that all 90 people were emailed, as was I. The Department of Ag is another one that was hit hard. There's such a thick layer of crap around what is really going on in negotiations that we don't know what will happen to those of us who got "the" email.
This will be an interesting time in Hawaii to be sure.
Carrie Rojo
http://www.carrierojo.etsy.com
"You and I must make a pact, we must bring salvation back
Where there is love, I'll be there." MJ
RE: State Pay Cuts may Close Kulani Prison - JerryCarr - 07-24-2009
Kulani officially to be closed in October:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090724/BREAKING01/90724037/State+says+it+will+close+Big+Island+s+Kulani+Correctional+Facility
RE: State Pay Cuts may Close Kulani Prison - Carey - 07-24-2009
Re; the above article: They are closing the facility to save money, but planning on using it for the youth challenge program.... with the money for that coming from?
Still wonder where our states budget would have been if there had not been so many budget mistakes in the last years
One of my biggest pet peeves was the one year elimination of the gas tax, done without a budget change... so we were spending the same money, yet getting almost $50 million less in tax money (in away, subsidizing the oil companies with fiscal mismanagement).
Did none of the HI state officials have any memory of 2000, when many states repelled the gas tax & ended up in budget shortfalls? Both years, the gas prices continued to go up, then plateau-ed & went back down, finally leveling off at a slightly higher price than it was... meanwhile state budgets take a hit because some short sighted politicians think that removing the tax will fix the price increase, and in reality it does not...
RE: State Pay Cuts may Close Kulani Prison - Kapohocat - 07-24-2009
So we are going to take one of the most successful SOTP's in the country and just blow it apart. Sad. Just sad.
RE: State Pay Cuts may Close Kulani Prison - Kelena - 07-25-2009
I think the ultimate goal is simply to close any state facility. There are two philosophies at play here: 1) The philosophy that government can get nothing right and that its functions should be eliminated and taken over by private enterprise, and 2) the philosophy that a nation or state can achieve more and create a better life for its citizens with a well-run government and that there are certain functions that are not profitable but nonetheless necessary or desireable for pratcial or philosphical reasons and so are best left to government (e.g., postal service, going to the moon).
Right now, adherents of the first philosophy are winning big. In states around the country, governments are selling off or closing state facilities for various reasons. But the underlying reason is the first stated philosophy above. People absolutely cannot remember how government functions were supported. In 1961, John Kennedy said "Let's go to the Moon and do it in this decade". We did. The very idea of setting such a challenge for the nation now is dead. We are the degenerated remnants of a great nation. We have forgotten how to act together, to make small sacrifices together so that we can achieve great things....or at least keep our prisons open, if not go to the moon or Mars.
Lingle is an adherent of the first philosophy.