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The Chinese Would Like to Have a Word with Us - Kelena - 11-01-2009
China's second highest ranking military leader is coming to Honolulu to have a chat with Pacific Command Admiral Robert Willard on Monday.
They really don't like us trying to engage in surveillance off of their shores and they also don't like us selling arms to Taiwan (which they consider their Hawaii......unless and until they consider Hawaii their Hawaii).
We think we have a right to operate in the waters in question, but they disagree. Wonder who will win that debate.
We live in interesting times.
http://www.kitv.com/news/21491302/detail.html
RE: The Chinese Would Like to Have a Word with Us - Bullwinkle - 11-01-2009
Long ago a very wise (I thought) Man told me world peace hinged on the physical location of the pacific (7th?) fleet
RE: The Chinese Would Like to Have a Word with Us - Kelena - 11-01-2009
He would not have told anyone that on December 6, 1941. But perhaps it is true now. Or perhaps it is perceived, as it was then, as a provocation.
RE: The Chinese Would Like to Have a Word with Us - DickWilson - 11-01-2009
The presence of the 7th fleet is a good deterrent to them, deciding that they would like to annex Hawaii. Nothing like having a half dozen boomers off your coast and you don't know where they are. Keeps honest, and not so honest folks on their toes.
dick wilson
"Nothing is idiot proof,because idiots are so ingenious!"
RE: The Chinese Would Like to Have a Word with Us - Bullwinkle - 11-01-2009
He nor I would ever comment on best location of said fleet - I have been thinkin on it a while though, kinda took on his pondering after he passed - keeping an eye on the issue for him
- back to stacking rocks -
RE: The Chinese Would Like to Have a Word with Us - 808blogger - 11-02-2009
this is all part of the structured move of global power to china from the US. China is being brought into the new world "financial"(they like to add that word in now) order. They are now the largest creditor nation in the world and we are the largest debtor. We all know the arrangement between borrower and lender, the hand that lends is always higher than the hand that borrows, borrower is servant to the lender.
RE: The Chinese Would Like to Have a Word with Us - JerryCarr - 11-02-2009
There is a consensus among the world's central banks (inept as they may often be) that a big piece of the Chinese global financial clout is based on their grossly undervalued currency. An undervalued currency boosts exports by keeping their cost in foreign currencies artificially low. The problem with forcing China to reform this economic distortion is the fact that they hold so much of our Treasury paper that all they have to do is mention that they might sell off some of it and near panic sets in. They probably do not want to push us too far, though, because if our economic problems get much worse, they will face serious social and political unrest at home due to the resulting fall in employment. China has been pushing their own stimulus programs and low interest rates in an effort to keep the workers busy in the current world recession. Anything that threatens the status quo will not be tolerated by the oligarchs, so I don't really expect much to change any time soon.
Most experts agree that the Chinese military is currently oriented to defending its borders, maintaining domestic order (especially in the non-Han provinces,) and dealing with an often recalcitrant and heavily armed Taiwan. While they do have ICBMs, massive ground forces, and a semi-respectable air force, their navy (especially in terms of aircraft carriers, submarines, and missile boats) is not yet at a superpower level. Projecting their power much beyond the Taiwan Straits would be difficult at present. It's just a matter of time, though. We need to get our financial house in order, or it might not matter how powerful their military is.
RE: The Chinese Would Like to Have a Word with Us - EightFingers - 11-02-2009
"...the hand that lends is always higher than the hand that borrows, borrower is servant to the lender. ..."
Not true, it's more the opposite.
RE: The Chinese Would Like to Have a Word with Us - Rob Tucker - 11-02-2009
Let's keep it Hawaii somehow boys and girls.....
Assume the best and ask questions.
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RE: The Chinese Would Like to Have a Word with Us - centipede - 11-02-2009
Good going, EightFingers. Here's a better quip: If you borrow $500,000.00 from a bank, they got you. But if you borrow $500,000,000.00, you got them.
I don't trust the Communist Chinese any farther than I can spit at them, and we should do all we can to keep Taiwan healthy and free.
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Originally posted by EightFingers
"...the hand that lends is always higher than the hand that borrows, borrower is servant to the lender. ..."
Not true, it's more the opposite.