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Debt Fiscal Crisis Brief -7-27-10 - whalesong - 07-28-2010
How are we going to prepare our community to deal with the loss of their State and Federal assistance programs, so that our communities remain a civilized society?
Millions of home sit empty, while homelessnness on the rise.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-27/vacancies-climb-as-u-s-home-ownership-falls-to-lowest-level-in-a-decade.html
How are we going to prepare people, to work as a community, even if it is a barter system, that will help us all survive together as brother and sister, during these economic crisis.
The following is the projected outcome of economic hardship ahead of us all.
We all think we own our property, but if we are late on a pymt, we find out, who really owns it. Many people are facing this reality now and are being left homeless without humane resources.
We are all subject to have our homes taken away from us, if not by the bank, by the State, or the Home Owners Assn, Federal agency.
What are we going to do to help stop this practice, so that people will have more of a grace period to pay off their debt, and not left homeless and without resources to survive?
Our Nations Debt and how the PUBLIC IS HELD HOSTAGE TO PAY FOR IT!
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/116xx/doc11659/07-27_Debt_FiscalCrisis_Brief.pdf
RE: Debt Fiscal Crisis Brief -7-27-10 - 808blogger - 07-29-2010
Voluntary society
RE: Debt Fiscal Crisis Brief -7-27-10 - Rob Tucker - 07-29-2010
Whalesong, How about offering some solutions in a Hawaiian sense?
Punaweb is not intended for simply spouting theories. Keep it Hawaii.
RE: Debt Fiscal Crisis Brief -7-27-10 - Irongstone - 07-29-2010
Here's a source for ideas of anarchy: http://www.anarchy.no/intro.html
but if everyone has to read and understand the ideas then few would be interested. Also, I think the word anarchy has the problem of being associated with lawlessness or lack of peace rather than lack of a ruler. But we can have rules without a ruler so I suggest a new word, panarchy, meaning everyone is a ruler and participates in maintaining the rules.
RE: Debt Fiscal Crisis Brief -7-27-10 - Greg - 07-29-2010
"Panarchy" is OK, but a name that would keep this thread relevant would be "Punarchy".
RE: Debt Fiscal Crisis Brief -7-27-10 - Rob Tucker - 07-29-2010
Nice touch Greg.
RE: Debt Fiscal Crisis Brief -7-27-10 - whalesong - 07-29-2010
Rob, I will honor your wishes to keep it Hawaiian.
For the record,
I posted the link, so people could get a real prospective of the housing crisis, we are enduring in our country. Some of these people have ended up here in Hawaii.
I work downtown, and I have meet, quite of few people, who have relocated here, because of our weather and have no employment lined up and they are just camping out. No harm done, yet!
Their way of thinking, is:
"If, I'm going to be homeless, I might as well live in Hawaii, so I don't freeze to death" in the coming winter.
My concern is, that while, we are away working to pay for their social programs, that they will adventually get, leaves us footing the bill and our homes and property, subject to burgalry, while we are away at work.
I think, there is a need for the State to donate land, so, that they can create a community tent city, gardens, kitchens,volunteer programs, so that their basic humane necessity, can be meet.
By doing this, they will at least be proactive, productive, while they are trying to recover. It would also place them in one location, so that they can be monitored.
When people have nothing else to lose, they loose it. When they do not have the basic humanitary needs meet, they do not care who is hurt, while they are trying to provide for themself and their families.
This way, they can at least, have a shower, before an interview and have a better chance, at landing a job and paying for the next person in line for social programs.
It is human nature, to want to have a sense of belonging, a need to feel needed and wanted, and a sense of purpose, to help society.
Good luck to all the newcomers, at landing a job, or creating a new business for the community.
RE: Debt Fiscal Crisis Brief -7-27-10 - Rob Tucker - 07-29-2010
Good idea.
RE: Debt Fiscal Crisis Brief -7-27-10 - Irongstone - 07-29-2010
Yes. Good idea. How about using 2% Land money to buy Kulani for a 20 acre tent city? And then we not have national guard there to prepare for war against citizens, maintain a detention center, and/or corrupt youths with government/military brainwashing and recruiting.
RE: Debt Fiscal Crisis Brief -7-27-10 - missydog1 - 07-29-2010
>>> while, we are away working to pay for their social programs, that they will adventually get, leaves us footing the bill
Have you got a figure for how much these social programs give to these people? I think it's miniscule. Although the Social Services bureaucracy must cost quite a bit.
>>> and our homes and property, subject to burgalry, while we are away at work.
>>> When they do not have the basic humanitary needs meet, they do not care who is hurt,
not necessarily, people who were raised to be decent don't turn to be burglars. I have been down and out, and hungry, and I never once thought of breaking into a home.
>>> I think, there is a need for the State to donate land, so, that they can create a community tent city, gardens, kitchens,volunteer programs, so that their basic humane necessity, can be meet.
By doing this, they will at least be proactive, productive, while they are trying to recover.
Good idea, but you propose this as if homeless activists haven't been working for these sorts of things for decades, especially on Oahu. Why not bring some info over on what Hawai'i homeless advocates are doing, instead of just calling for results?
>>> It would also place them in one location, so that they can be monitored.
Sounds too much like a camp for my taste.
You can't lump all the hard up people into one group. People who have recently lost jobs and had homes foreclosed probably have a whole different mentality than people who have been homeless for years due to addiction or mental illness. The first group can really take an opportunity and run with it; the latter need help, but realistically they need more to turn it around.
It's all very well to call out for change, but I am impatient with all this talk. This is not a new problem; people are already fighting on this front. More volunteering to help, less talk ...