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Managing growth - jerry - 04-22-2011
This is a continuation of the KTA thread but a bit more general. I hope that someone who was a part of the managing growth committee of the CDP will chime in.
My understanding is that the CDP was looking 50 years ahead to a projected population of 200,000.
A major consideration was to prevent strip malls and not have 130 be shopping centers from Keaau to Pahoa.
Was there a consideration of what services would be necessary for this population, what should be in Puna and what should be in Hilo? For example, how many gas stations? How many big markets? How many small markets, repair shops, restaurants, clothing stores, laundry facilities, etc, etc? Any space for big box stores (eg Home Depot or Costco?) Then with this information, was there space set aside for this amount of development?
It looks to me like the CDP does not really include enough space for projected development. If this is the case, then maybe the strip from Orchidland to Auli'i on both sides of the highway should become the "commercial and light industrial center." That would keep it centralized.
Jerry
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RE: Managing growth - hikatz - 04-22-2011
Sorry for hijacking this thread, but it brought back memories small village I lived in, had 2 petrol stations, post office, 2 small shops and 5 pubs, you can see what was important to our village population under 1,000[
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RE: Managing growth - Kelena - 04-22-2011
Puna needs to be a series of villages. The next build-out needs to be in HPP. None of it should be directly on the highway.
RE: Managing growth - Rob Tucker - 04-22-2011
I was on the managing growth committee. I am trying to locate the Working Group Reports but the link on the county web site seems to be broken.
The Working Group Reports are useful reading. There were ten working groups. Land Use W.G. had the Managing Growth Committee.
RE: Managing growth - Kapohocat - 04-23-2011
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Originally posted by hikatz...and 5 pubs, you can see what was important to our village population under 1,000[
LOL.
I think too the design of the space, & facades of the buildings are really important too not just a parking lot with metal buildings.
In Sebastopol, CA when I visited, they have one common area that is park like with a fountain and rose bushes, benches - and all the stores open on one side to the "courtyard". The parking is around the perimeter (even the tire store opens their "front customer service door" onto it. I could see something like that with tropical landscaping... anything so we dont have a strip mall look from Keaau to Pahoa. And add a bicycle path to the [future] Orchidland Community Center!
I was on the street inbetween HD/KFC and Walmart/Safeway/Target and thought I could take a pic here and ask where am I? and it could be anywhere USA.
I know everything is expensive and landscaping isn't a money maker, but why cant something be incorporated that says this is Big Island not anywhere USA. Can design standards be set where even the big corporations have to incorporate the Big Island style" into their designs? Is the KTA's parking lot if it goes in Orchidland going to look the same as the KTA parking lot in Hilo on Puanaiko?
Back to managed growth, maybe it is time for the village centers and village center "annexes" to be decided on so growth can continue and it is delineated where things can go in the future. So there will be fewer special use permits going on, case by case. And people who buy property will know that it is possible a big box is going in across from their driveway.
RE: Managing growth - Rene - 04-23-2011
I live on Auli'i and I have fractional ownership rights to the private roads in the Subdivision, as do all owners. Is it fair that KTA pays $100 a year to maintain the roads? the same as a private resident? and do I get compensated for the wear and tear and use of my fractional ownernship of the road? You can't just "take, take, take" and you cant just completely thrust the entire project onto the shoulders of the residents and not "give back".
It's not thousands of dollars, it's not hundreds of thousands it's hundreds of millions of dollars that this project is worth in the long term. I'm pro-job, Pro-Union, Pro-Business but most of all I'm for the people. You have to do the right thing here. Just building a KTA does NOT make things "better" in Puna, building a KTA, park, swimming pool, picknic areas w/volleyball courts, Community association Meeting hall & rec center, hard surface recreation courts, Thats "Improving" the community.
RE: Managing growth - peteadams - 04-23-2011
Working group reports and the final reports are available at:
http://www.hawaiicountycdp.info/puna-cdp/draft-plan-recommendations
RE: Managing growth - TrevorKane - 04-24-2011
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A major consideration was to prevent strip malls and not have 130 be shopping centers from Keaau to Pahoa.
Amen to that. Anybody who thinks unrestricted/unguided commercial corridor development is a good idea needs to take a drive from Bradenton to Naples, Florida on US41 - 120 miles, and I'd bet 100 miles of it is lined with shopping.
Even though my Grandmother built and operated a beauty salon from 1960 to 2000 in a similar strip of suburban blight, in my opinion, it's not the best, most attractive, environmentally friendly, walkable community way of building commercial space into a community.
Edit to add:
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Puna needs to be a series of villages. The next build-out needs to be in HPP. None of it should be directly on the highway.
I took a bike ride through Denmark (Jutland and Fyn, the more rural 2/3 of the country) in 1989, and riding on the major roads I noticed several things:
1. There were very few cars on the road (or bikes for that matter, even in the summer it was cold and rainy) - $7/gallon gas was part of that, but there was more to the story.
2. There were almost no stores on the roads, even at major intersections.
3. It must get windy as hell there in the winter, a very common decoration was Danish flag pennants, 10 meters long and more.
For a couple of days, I looked for a place to buy one of those pennants. After about 3 days of riding, I finally realized that the commercial development was in town centers off the highway - there was much more car traffic in the town centers than on the cross-country roads, and an awful lot of people were doing their business without cars, too.
RE: Managing growth - sandflea - 04-24-2011
As the population of Puna keeps growing, I worry that there are those out there with dollar signs for eyes. It's up to the people of Puna to make sure we don't lose out precious and unique character. There's an amazing opportunity here to do things right. I for one did not come to Hawaii Island for strip malls. I love the idea of town centers with unique shops of businesses. I don't think tourists want what they have at home.
RE: Managing growth - TrevorKane - 04-24-2011
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I don't think tourists want what they have at home.
There's long vs short term thinking to consider. Long term, if Hawaii is just like Omaha with all the same stores, hotels, etc. why go? Well, Omaha doesn't have a volcano yet, and the weather is warmer, but... basically, right - unique should be attractive.
On the short hand, once the tourists are in town - are they going to step into a local restaurant for some mac & rice, or are they going to go to MacDonalds for a burger and fries? And, if you're a small time investor looking to turn a corner lot into a profit center, what do you want to build? Another "sure thing" CVS, Walgreens, Burger King or MacDonalds, of course.