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Pebble Tec - Kapohocat - 07-18-2011
Question for Pete:
Have you ever used this before? http://www.pebbletec.com/photo_gallery.aspx
Do you like it? problems? concerns? We have a 24 x 24 x 5 pool that needs resurfacing? painting? tile? We do not yet what we want to do but then I saw the Pebble Tec and thought it was neat.
(This is one of those "I saw it on Yard Crashers on HGTV" and asked Robert and he said "Call Pete Epperson!")
RE: Pebble Tec - Peter Epperson - 07-18-2011
I've seen Pebbletec and it looks very good. It also looks extremely durable compared to plaster. I've never applied it but have heard that you really need to know what you're doing. Exposing the aggregate is the most crucial step and needs to be done at just the right time. That right time is at the end of a long day that was spent applying the product. Call a pro if you want that surface. I would recommend Frank Cieskowski at 960-4036
RE: Pebble Tec - Bob Orts - 07-18-2011
Pebbletec is a dying option on the mainland. After years of people wanting it, the results have been les than desirable to many.
The first and most important item is the surface is not smooth but more like sandpaper. This is the number one complaint. Another issue is that if you let your pool go, the rough surface makes cleaning more difficult, often requiring harsher chemicals instead of just a stiff brushing.
The new rage to Pebbletec is quartz interiors or as a lower cost option is the new polymer enhanced colored plaster finishes.
RE: Pebble Tec - Sniper Steve - 07-18-2011
I have to agree with Bob. I grew up in Florida and was some of the first in Volusia County to get to try this product out. It looks nice and can make a pool or deck look nice, but as Bob had already stated. It can be hard on the feet. The first problem we saw was the kids. Everyone knows, it's hard at hell to get the kids out of the pool. Well, their feet would start to bleed. Yes, with them being in the pool so long and the surface being rougher then normal. It will eat the hell out of the skin.
As for cleaning the surface. We would tell customers to use Ospho or a water down solution of Phosphoric acid. One last thing before talking about another product. When the Peddletec is laid down. You have to use these pressure water wands. Now, this is the tricky part. If the guys doesn't know what he or she is doing. They can wash to much cream away and it will make the surface even rougher. Here's a like to how it's done.
If it was me. I'd go with a product called diamond brite plaster. I've done so many pool with this product and if the thickness is right. This stuff is bullet proof, well. You know what I mean. They have some nice colors also. Just my 2 cents and trying to help out.
Good luck,
Steve
http://www.mmgtx.com/PT-process.htm
http://www.sgm.cc/diamondbrite/index.html
RE: Pebble Tec - Kapohocat - 07-19-2011
Thanks for the info all! This is why I asked here, pool finishes are out of Robert's league except for tiling it (which he can do well!) but that is so pedestrian with all the new finishes out so we wanted to look at other options. Any one have any other suggestions as to what is new and fresh looking?
The diamond brite looks nice. Thanks for the info on how rough the pebble tec is! We already fought the algae and mold bringing this pool back to life after no one maintaining it for over 5 yrs. I would hate to make keeping it nice even harder!
We are going to do the pool surface repairs sometime after the 1st of year during the [
] *winter* [] when our budget recovers from bringing it back to life (new pump, new timer, new "spa box", maintenance on the sand filter). Thanks to Jerry Gardner @ MSW Electric, and Chris the pool guy 960-1026 for their expertise! Thanks Pete, I'll give Frank a call and see what he would do and what he charges so I can budget for it.
And to answer the question of why a pool when we are so close to tide pools? My mom cant navigate the rough lava well anymore, but loves to swim otherwise this pool would be a pond with koi... and lots of toads.
RE: Pebble Tec - Sniper Steve - 07-19-2011
A couple of other things I forgot to post. Since you are resurfacing your pool. You want to make sure to take a few steps.
1. Completely drain the pool.
2. Clean out any junk or trash, and wash pool.
3. This is important, wash the whole pool down with muriatic acid. Hope I spelled it right. This will clean the surface and make sure the surface is clean and give the proper bond with new material applied. Its also called Acid washing. Here's a good link with info. http://www.poolcenter.com/acidwash.htm
4. You want to use a bonding coat material. We would get these 5 gallon buckets of this grey stuff we would roll out with paint rollers. If your resurfacing. I would not skip this step. Some will say acid washing is enough, but if you want that 10 year from Diamondbrite or who ever. They will say use the bonding material. It really does help and is worth the little bit extra.
5. Once the bonding agent is all rolled out and dried. Your ready to start mudding the pool.
There are other great products out there and I only talk about Diamond Brite, because that's all we used in Florida. I've mixed to many bags of that stuff and never saw or had to go back and redo or patch any pool we resurface. They say it last 10 years, but I've done pools that have lasted a lot longer. My grand parents pool lasted almost 20 years before they had it redone. Had one bad spot and then the color was faded, but they got more then their money worth.
Don't know if your going to do most of the work and just hire some guys on the side and skip the pool company. It's a good way to save allot of money. Buy the bags and have some guys come over on the weekend and knock it out pretty quickly. We would do two pools a day. Just to give you an idea. I would be packing gear up and on the road by 11am and on second job by noon. We always did the larger of the pools in the morning and the smaller one at lunch. Damn, hot Florida sun. Any ways, if you got a good trowel crew. They should have a guy mixing the mud. Dumping it in the deep end and working their way to the shallow end. Should take them about 4-5 hours to lay the mud down and be out of the pool. Depending on the pool size and how much they want to make troweling. You should have 2-3 guys in the pool laying the mud.
If you have any questions. Hit me up or post them. Here's my e-mail address berubesteven@yahoo.com Don't want to see you get over charged either.
Take care,
Steve
RE: Pebble Tec - Kapohocat - 07-19-2011
Thanks Steve! Yes we have steps 1-3 down as we had to do that when we turned it from swamp back to pool in May! Thanks though for the rest of the steps.
So back to Pete, do you do the Diamond Brite?
-Cat
RE: Pebble Tec - Bob Orts - 07-19-2011
The Diamond Brite sounds like the quartz I was talking about. The one that is used in the SW uses white cement instead of plaster. The other thing is I have not found any contractor who is willing to apply it over plaster, (acid wash, bonded, or anything) they claim it must go on the gunite otherwise you'll have failure within a few years. The ones that I’ve seen being installed they chiseled off the old plaster.
With some, you really can't tell the difference between Pebbletec and the quartz material.
The colored plaster is not that more than a traditional plaster job but looks really nice, especially when they do a fade from one color to another over the entire length of the pool. With the added polymer, they claim it’s just as hard as the quartz (and smooth) when completed.
RE: Pebble Tec - Peter Epperson - 07-20-2011
Yes Cat, we have used Diamond Brite. Honsador used to bring it in for us. It is very durable and looks good. I agree with Bob that ideally you would want to remove the old plaster. That sounds about as difficult as you might imagine. We use scabblers which are air powered tools that knock the old surface off to prepare for the new. It's mindless, tedious work. A typical pool would need two people working for a couple of days to do this part of the job well.
For application I think that you might want to hire Steve. Sounds like a lot of experience there. I'm actually not doing pools anymore. My son Tyson has taken them over and my own crew is concentrating on water tanks.
RE: Pebble Tec - bgiles - 07-20-2011
Cat, if you haven't used Muriatic acid before, it might be best to have a professional (one who HAS used it before) do that part of the job. Muriatic should be applied while wearing a full face mask, rubber gloves and with no skin left unprotected. It works very well on metal and concrete; your lungs, eyes and skin even more so.
bamboo2u