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61 Senators Betrayed you today - whalesong - 11-30-2011
I posted this Bill before it was voted on, but it was removed.
61 senators betrayed you today. They authorized, as an amendment to the Defense Authorization act, the indefinite suspension of Habeus Corpus. We are now officially a police state. Read the Amendment provision here. The house version of the bill is available here, 920 pages. Senate tex
http://wearechangetv.us/2011/11/61-senators-betrayed-you-today-they-authorized-the-indefinite-suspension-of-habeus-corpus/#ixzz1fE4HbRCu
Freedom isn't free!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/892/petition-to-impeach-all-senators-who-voted-for-us-is-a-battlefield-and-to-detain-us-citizens-without/
We have become the thing we claimed we despised. All of the crimes we claim are being committed by other countries are crimes we are committing ourselves. We torture, kidnap, bomb, murder, intimidate, abuse and terrify all in the name of “national security”. We destabilize economies, deprive entire countries of food, medicines, even water for refusing to submit to what we want. We overthrow governments and assassinate their leaders and then install puppet governments to do our bidding.
I have to wonder if at some point if other countries will band together and declare the US a terrorist organization, guilty of crimes against humanity, war crimes, human rights violations and a threat to world peace.
Where is their integrity in leading us toward world peace?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN1867:
Library of Congress
RE: 61 Senators Betrayed you today - LeeE - 11-30-2011
Is there anything in the way of response, that our local government or citizens groups can do? Even something as mild as an official condemnation would be something.
If our right to habeus corpus truly has been banned, then any number of civic groups would be amenable to speaking out, perhaps.
Rotarians, Quakers, Arlo Guthrey fans.
Lee Eisenstein
http://members.cruzio.com/~lionel/event
RE: 61 Senators Betrayed you today - whalesong - 11-30-2011
See how our senators voted here! How to remedy this locally is to sign the petition to have Obama veto the bill as he promised! Let's see if he'll keep his word, this time!
http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=5105
Petition to the President.
Record of Senators Votes:
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00210
Plant your seeds [
] Aloha
RE: 61 Senators Betrayed you today - liskir - 11-30-2011
FEMA concentration camps for U.S. citizens???
RE: 61 Senators Betrayed you today - whalesong - 11-30-2011
quote:Just enjoy the moment, for that is all we really have. [
Originally posted by liskir
FEMA concentration camps for U.S. citizens???
] Who know's, but they do exist!
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/sites5.gif
RE: 61 Senators Betrayed you today - PaulW - 11-30-2011
Could you please quote the part of the text that suspends habeus corpus?
RE: 61 Senators Betrayed you today - Midnight Rambler - 11-30-2011
Here is the text of the relevant section: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c112RvPxWj:e462417:
whalesong's reporting of it is wrong; the Senate actually rejected the amendment, which was to remove this section (which basically just reaffirms the status quo) and replace it with a requirement that the security apparatus justify the legal basis for detentions (text here, scroll down to SA1107: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r112:1:./temp/~r112taW0u9:e129150:).
So yes, the Senate, including our man Dan Inouye, voted to keep letting the terrorists win, but nothing actually changed. And until voters and legislators stop wetting their pants when they see a guy in a turban, nothing will.
RE: 61 Senators Betrayed you today - whalesong - 12-01-2011
quote:http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1867:
Originally posted by PaulW
Could you please quote the part of the text that suspends habeus corpus?
Senate text is here:
RE: 61 Senators Betrayed you today - PaulW - 12-01-2011
Could you please quote the part of the text that suspends habeus corpus?
RE: 61 Senators Betrayed you today - Midnight Rambler - 12-01-2011
quote:FFS, Paul.
Originally posted by PaulW
Could you please quote the part of the text that suspends habeus corpus?
quote:Note that it requires non-citizens to be detained indefinitely; citizens and resident aliens can also be detained indefinitely, but are not required to be.
Subtitle D--Detainee Matters
SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
[...]
SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.
(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031©, except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.