Keaau High School removes cameras from kid's bathrooms

[HiloJulie]

Those who support cameras in public bathrooms in high schools would have to agree then that EVERY public bathroom should have those same cameras. Right?

Think of the potential shoplifting and other potential crimes (including rape) that might be averted if there were cameras in the bathrooms at Home Depot. Wal Mart. Safeway. Prince Kuhio Mall?

What about public parks? Restaurants? Heck even car dealerships. What about the portable johns at the farmers markets? Gas stations? Hilo airport?

Why limit video surveillance in bathrooms to just high school students? Surely you must agree.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

EVERY public bathroom should have those same cameras. Right?

Reality check.
Do you know how few men wash their hands in public bathrooms?  Then go out and touch everything in the store?
Maybe more would wash their hands if they thought someone else (besides me) was watching.
The percentage of hand washing is proportional to prices.  Walmart might be 30-40% hand washing.  A good restaurant is 90-100 percent.  

[HiloJulie]

Do you know how few men wash their hands in public bathrooms?  Then go out and touch everything in the store?

Maybe more would wash their hands if they thought someone else (besides me) was watching.

Reality check:

I don’t know how to respond to a person who openly admits to watching if men wash their hands in the bathroom. 

At any event, if the video surveillance cameras see young “Kai” at a high school not washing his hands maybe a weeks detention is warranted. If on a sports team maybe a few game suspension. 

In conclusion, count me out on this debate. 

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

a person who openly admits to watching if men wash their hands 

Do you openly notice people pushing shopping carts in a retail store?  It’s the same thing.  
One person has eyes.  Other people have shopping carts right in view.  It’s kinda hard to miss.
Example.  Someone comes home from Target.  You ask, “did you see anyone there with a shopping cart?”  If they said “well, I don’t know” THAT would be unusual.

[SSGSurf]

There are a lot of people in this world who are going to need 1 million sunblock when the day comes. What's a few more?

[Durian Fiend]

Those who support cameras in public bathrooms in high schools would have to agree then that EVERY public bathroom should have those same cameras. Right?

 Not really. The difference being, there is a perceived need for providing security to kids within a school. Bullying and drugs WILL be happening within school bathrooms otherwise.  I would be OK with cameras in restrooms at schools, or anywhere else for that matter, provided they weren't inside stalls.  Inside any public men's room there is no privacy, or real expectation of it, anywhere besides a stall.   Newer men's rooms do have barriers between urinals. This is a positive development for privacy. Even with the older style open urinals there's really nothing to see from a camera unless someone decided to turn around and flash it.  Yeah, don't give Junior any goofy ideas, OK?        Absolutely no one would be interested in viewing the video from these cameras unless an incident occurred. 

Here's a recent story from Texas.  Not ALL parents are thrilled about this.   

https://www.wdhn.com/news/local-news/hou...%20Primary.

"Superintendent Brandy White said they got a positive response from most parents when they approved cameras for classrooms as well as bathrooms last year. They’ll go into each middle and high school and elementary school except Rehobeth Primary."

[terracore]

EVERY public bathroom should have those same cameras. Right?

Reality check.
Do you know how few men wash their hands in public bathrooms?  Then go out and touch everything in the store?
Maybe more would wash their hands if they thought someone else (besides me) was watching.
The percentage of hand washing is proportional to prices.  Walmart might be 30-40% hand washing.  A good restaurant is 90-100 percent.  

I was somewhere in Vegas and all the handwashing sinks were outside the bathroom, sort of like drinking fountains are in many places.  And you know what? Everybody, men and women, washed their hands coming out knowing that hundreds of people could be watching them.  I was wondering why they don't do that everywhere, but there must be some reason why some people need privacy to use the sink I'm not aware of.  One thing I noticed was that some of the ladies coming out only pretended to wash their hands.  A couple of drops of water and then straight to the paper towel.  I pointed that out to my wife ("hey look, women are more gross than men.")  Of course that didn't go over well, but she noticed they all had huge claws and speculated that they just got their nails done.

The other extreme I saw was at an airport where there was a handwashing sink inside every stall.

[offgridguy]

Am the only one calling bullshit on this statement - "a “breezeway” thus considered a “public area where users do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.”"

So then, am I as a member of the general public, allowed access to said Breezeway? Or is that considered school property and as a non-staff member and a non-student, would I be considered trespassing?

Not that I'm masochistic enough to subject myself to the Hawaiian legal system in order to find out but it still begs the question, is that truly a "public area".

[Or1on]

Public if you're a part of that public school.  There are other places considered public that have restrictions too.  I suppose if you went to the school office and came up with a good reason for being on campus you might be issued a campus pas and wear a tag.