Climate Change & The Hawaiian Kingdom

[Space Karen]

Hawaiians should be the best in the world at constructing and maintaining fish ponds.

Its been a part of the hawaiian culture longer than any other culture in the world.

How many active fish ponds do we have.

Shouldn't there be more of them.

[Olohana 1790]

aloha boneheads..
fwiw
I have a Megalodon tooth in my hand right now...
its 10 Million yrs old...
its 12 time OLDER than the Big Island of Owhyhee...
12 times older than an island now 4,028 square miles in size, with 2 mountains of nearly 14,000' tall in middle...

the Big Island is about 500,000-700,000 yrs old
Kure is 33,000,000 yrs old... it is NOW the largest atoll in the World, and the most northern...
Kure used to be larger than the Big Island
and Maui (known as Maui Nui) used to be larger than the Big Island...

get it yet???
hint...
these island sink far faster than any ocean will rise... on average a lava flow covered itself once every 100 yrs or so, and a lave flow is 3 foot thick.. add that up over time and see how tall an island will be in 500-700 thousand yrs...

then they start to break down with erosion and wave action til they turn into Atooi/Kauai at about 4,500,000 yrs old, then Nihoa at 7,200,000 yrs old, then to the oldest Hawaiian rock at La Perouse Pinnacle 12,000,000 yrs old, and finally all the way up to the most northern Hawaiian island of Kure's 33,000,000 yrs old and about to go underwater for good because its NOW hit the 'Darwin Point' of the ocean...... the point where the water is too cold for coral to grow at same rate as island sinks...... all this moving is via plate tectonics .. same speed as your finger nail grows. aroha

[AaronM]

I know we are barely halfway through 2022, but I hereby nominate Olohana for the Most Educational Member of the Year Award.

[MyManao]

aloha boneheads..  these island sink far faster than any ocean will rise...

Hey Bonehead?

From.. https://www.usgs.gov/publications/geolog...an-islands

The burden of shield volcanoes depresses the ocean crust near the hot spot, creating the Hawaiian Moat. Greatest rate of subsidence today occurs at the Island of Hawai‘i, 2–3 mm per year along its coast.. 

And from.. https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

Sea level continues to rise at a rate of about one-eighth of an inch per year..

So, with the current rates more or less canceling each other out, the island's rate of subsistence holding steady, and the rate of sea level rise increasing, what you wanna bet you're wrong?

[My 2 cents]

"with the current rates more or less canceling each other out"

Seems to me these would be compounding factors, not cancelling factors.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

what you wanna bet 
…
compounding factors, not cancelling factors.


I got busy earlier, but I hope he's still taking bets.

[Space Karen]

these island sink far faster than any ocean will rise...  

Cue the Obamas and Trumps buying beachfront property.


https://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-r...nt-estate/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obamas...-vineyard/


What do they know that we don't?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

What do they know that we don't?

More like what do they have that we don’t?
Enough money for more than one house, and lawyers who will get them first in line for government funding when beachfront properties become tide pools.

[Space Karen]

What do they know that we don't?

More like what do they have that we don’t?
Enough money for more than one house, and lawyers who will get them first in line for government funding when beachfront properties become tide pools.

The future?

(Underwater restaurant in the maldives)

[AaronM]

That's the Hilton restaurant that does not allow children!

I hope that's a feature that we see more of in the future. Child free dining is very relaxing compared to the alternative.