Guns

[kalianna]

Ha! Great!!!

[TomK]

Not sure what happened the other day that I inadvertently copied and quoted a previous poster...I didn't intend to and have since deleted the erroneous post, and so sorry to all for the confusion. 

But, truly, thanks for the blessing, all the same...I need all the help I can get!

No problem, it was just so weird to have someone think it was your own post and congratulate you on it and not the OP.

[MyManao]

It is of the shortest and least descriptive of the amendments but there aren't many ways to interpret "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" other than exactly what it says.

Actually, terracore, your interpretation, and yes you bastardized the amendment to the point as to impose your interpretation over the actual wording of the amendment, which is..

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

And, considering it's only one sentence, your omission of the entire first half, which obviously is a qualifier, ie a limiting factor over the second half, is all we need to understand you're not playing fair here. In other words, you're twisting the facts to support your narrative.. which doesn't help your cause at all. It just paints you as bias..

ETA, and just to wet your whistle, in my interpretation of the amendment that first half, the part you obviously don't like, means we, by having national guard organizations in each state, fulfill the need for a "well regulated Militia" and as such render the entire amendment moot. But then.. that's my biased interpretation..

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Our founding fathers overthrew a government that wanted to keep them from having guns and fighting back.

OK.
Hypothetical Puna-centric or Hawaii Island wide question.

Gun permits are given out to everyone who wants one.  The County government becomes so unbearable, so intolerable that Big Island gun owners decide to fight back as the 2nd Amendment allows, and overthrow the mayor, county council, and all government workers.  Clandestine meetings are held somewhere in deep jungle, far back in the Acres and a plan is put forward, a plan that of course not everyone agrees with, so they disperse and decide to attack on their own personal terms.  FREEDOM!

The mayor and DMV see a crowd, or rather individual crowds gathering in the parking lot, milling about, but with weapons drawn.  

What happens?  The Disorganized Militia thinks they can fight the tyrannical powers that be by taking a few captives and occupy the seat of government, then install themselves as Don't Tread On Me libertarian rulers of Hawaii Island.

What I think would really happen is someone at the County picks up a phone and calls the well regulated police, the well regulated Army at Pohakuloa, the Civil Air, National Guard at the airport equipped with Apache Helicopters.  And that will be a decisive and hasty end to the ragtag gun tottin' beer guzzlin' insurectionists.  Can some guy hiding in the underbrush with his pee shooter take out an Apache, armed with machine guns, and if that doesn't hit the mark, a not even well aimed missile?  Because close counts.

Does anyone here think Hawaii Island citizerns with a few guns can out shoot the trained and armed militia stationed on island?  And citizens fighting back against our government is a good reason gun permits should be handed out like trophys for all who participate at a walk-run event, for almost everyone who shows up?

[birdmove]

Here is what I received from the state of Hawaii regarding the new system of getting a carry permit. I get email notifications from them on many subjects.



"Wednesday August 24, 2022, 10:06 AM
Hawaii Police Department
committed to preserving the spirit of aloha

Community: 8-24-22 Police Update Permitting Process for License to Carry Firearms

Dear Jon Neet,

Hawaiʻi Police Department
Office of the Chief
Chief Paul K. Ferreira
Phone: (808) 961-2244

Media Release

The Hawai`i Police Department announces that it has revised the permitting process for license to carry concealed and unconcealed firearms as a result of the July 23, 2022, Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) decision in the case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., et al. v. Bruen, Superintendent Of New York State Police, et al. The updated application and supporting documentation forms can be downloaded from the Hawai`i Police Department’s website, hawaiipolice.com, under Services.

All persons who wish to apply for a License to Carry a Firearm concealed or unconcealed in the County of Hawai`i must:

Thoroughly complete the Hawai`i Police Department Application for License to Carry Firearms (Form HPD/ADMIN-039A).

Submit a copy of the signed State of Hawaii Firearms Registration for the specific firearm to be carried registered in the applicant’s name or in the name of the Private Security Employer.

Submit a copy of the signed firearms proficiency test administered by a state-certified or National Rifle Association firearms instructor of the applicant’s choosing (include instructor certification). Firearms proficiency test shall be taken with the firearm to be carried (completed within 90 days prior to submittal of application). Signed shooting proficiency test results must include shooting scores (pass/fail only is not sufficient).

Submit two front-facing, passport-sized color photographs of the applicant (taken within 30 days prior to submittal of application).

Submit the State of Hawaii, Adult Mental Health Division’s Authorization for Use or Disclosure of Protected Health Information form.

For applications associated with employment purposes, a notarized statement by the private security employer that the applicant’s duties require carrying the pistol and/or revolver and is qualified to use said pistol and/or revolver. (The private security employer is expected to show urgency of need in support of each application).

Subject must be a resident of the County of Hawai`i, have a local address, and be 21 years of age or older.

Subject must be a U.S. citizen, a U.S. national, a lawful permanent resident, or (if the subject is applying for a concealed carry license) a duly accredited official representative of a foreign nation.
Applications and supporting documentation may be submitted in person or via mail to the Hawai‘i Police Department’s Records and Identification Section, 349 Kapiolani Street, Hilo, Hawai‘i, 96720. Any questions can be directed to Lieutenant Tuckloy Aurello of our Records and Identification Section at (808) 961-2233 or via email at HCPDONE@hawaiicounty.gov


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Doesn't sound like they will be issuing permits to everyone.

[leilanidude]

Interesting that you have to own a registered gun before you can get a permit to carry one.
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Submit a copy of the signed State of Hawaii Firearms Registration for the specific firearm to be carried registered in the applicant’s name or in the name of the Private Security Employer.
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[randomq]

Hmm, is the registration what we all already did when bringing firearms onto the island? I wonder if they still have that on file......

[AaronM]

Interesting that you have to own a registered gun before you can get a permit to carry one.
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Submit a copy of the signed State of Hawaii Firearms Registration for the specific firearm to be carried registered in the applicant’s name or in the name of the Private Security Employer.
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In what way is that "interesting"?