General Plan approved despite fervent opposition

[TomK]

Respectfully, these last few posts prove that human intellect has been dishonored.

Are we in a Star Trek movie now? WTF does that mean?

[ChunksterK]

I don't know what all the exitement over the General Plan is about. We all know it will be ignored and the usual large land owners, political good old boys/girls, and unions will do whatever they want wherever they want. Remember the Puna Community Development Plan? That was a huge effort for absolutely nothing.

[HiloJulie]

Respectfully, these last few posts prove that human intellect has been dishonored.

Are we in a Star Trek movie now? WTF does that mean?

Ask one of the "inbred materialistic fakas"

[ironyak]

“There’s nothing in the plan that is gonna force anybody to do anything,” he added. “It’s not gonna force anybody to buy an electric vehicle or give up your truck or lose your land or rezone or anything.”
Well that's exactly what a conniving politician engaged in a truck-and-land-grab conspiracy would say now isn't it? ;)

PrimalEdge - ...a long list of boogeymen that can’t be easily refuted to those convinced they’re in-the-know, because HOW can you see them?
Sometimes there is a distinctive color involved. While I can appreciate spending time contemplating the implications of said boogeymen emerging from the darkness between the threads of reality, I don't think County Council is going to be of much help.

Chunkster - We all know it will be ignored and the usual large land owners, political good old boys/girls, and unions will do whatever they want wherever they want.
Well that's a relief compared to County Council's Agenda 2045 plans for UN geoengineering and enslavement in a 15-minute city under the Secret Order of the Black Sun (FB has really broken people's brains - great source for creative writing prompts though).

Looks like another Punatic uprising against consensus reality has been put down - back to business as usual! (until next time...)

[TomK]

Well that's exactly what a conniving politician engaged in a truck-and-land-grab conspiracy would say now isn't it?

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Sometimes there is a distinctive color involved. While I can appreciate spending time contemplating the implications of said boogeymen emerging from the darkness between the threads of reality, I don't think County Council is going to be of much help.

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Well that's a relief compared to County Council's Agenda 2045 plans for UN geoengineering and enslavement in a 15-minute city under the Secret Order of the Black Sun (FB has really broken people's brains - great source for creative writing prompts though).

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Looks like another Punatic uprising against consensus reality has been put down 

What does this mean? What is consensus reality vs actual reality? What uprising has been put down? We've got boogeymen rising from darkness between threads of reality, UN geoengineering, and enslavement in a 15-minute city under a black sun secret organization.

Maybe this is the answer?

https://youtu.be/mHO5MPH0yI0?si=-fl_xMUOw9LEG51a

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Ask one of the "inbred materialistic fakas"

If you could identify one of them, I'd be happy to ask questions. Right now I'm more interested in finding out about black sun organizations, consensus reality, and boogeymen rising from the dark.

[ironyak]

randomq - Yeesh, time to move to Japan...
Your nihongo increasingly needs to be totemo jozu desu ne, even just for work visas. Despite the plummeting birth rates, Japan is determined to remain Japanese, so you've got to demonstrate your commitment to work and live in the land of the rising sun and cheap vegetables.

MyManao - Interestingly, back in the early days of statehood, Hawaii was eager to spawn new growth, and one area of their efforts was in agriculture, of which the Volcano Farm Lots was one.
While the lower lots on Amaumau seem to show this clear cutting for agriculture, with their open fields and tribes of baby goats, most of the upper lots, where the road is hemmed in by 10+ft hapu'u ferns and hydrangea hedges, appears to be more heavily forested.

Is there a general trend that many of these upper lots were reforested or just not converted to agriculture to being with or bit of both? That is, was the original agricultural homestead program not very successful, the reforesting program extra successful, or whole mix of paths from deep woods that no axe has ever cut, to ~70-year-old farm pasture, to ~40-year-old new forest?

[MyManao]

If you look at a satellite view of the area almost all of it is in use. However in the initial planning for the homesteads the lower lots were allocated to farmers who intended to pursue cattle, while the upper lots vegetable matter. And, as such the land clearing practices lower down created parcels with wall to wall grass, while the vegetable farms higher up tended to leave a natural border along the roadside of their's. Also, for the same amount of return greenhouses of Cymbidium has a much smaller footprint than cattle. And, of course, once acquired the homesteading expectations didn't pass down with subsequent sales, so the initial push to clear the land expired. And still, look at the areal view.. in some places there's large farms behind that roadside veneer of natural forest.

[ironyak]

What I can't tell from the satellite or road view is how much of that is original versus reforested growth. Was the reforesting program popular in your experience? How much restoration work was done overall do you think and does the area look significantly different from either view compared to how things were before the state's restoration incentives?

The general opinion of state/county planning seems to vary wildly from mere ineffectual posturing to diabolical conspiracy plots, so was wondering about possible examples of it just simply working as intended, which your " these are the land uses that make our island what it is" seems to imply.

[MyManao]

What I can't tell from the satellite or road view is how much of that is original versus reforested growth.

I'm pretty sure what you see along the road is, for the most part, just remnants of the old forest. With more recently introduced weeds mixed in, and a few stands of since planted trees. But those ferns are not a few years, or decades even, years old. And the still standing ohia are ancient. Literally, imagine how long it takes for a 24 inch in diameter hapuu to form. The best, btw, example of that particular forest is to take a hike from the end of Amaumau rd. on the hunter’s trail that heads in the direction of Kulani prison. All you have to do is go a few hundred yards in.. it’s mind boggling. Towering hapuu and four to five feet in diameter ohias. I've seen nothing like it anywhere else on the island.

[Rob Tucker]

I took the far trail out of Waipio Valley once just to see some untouched forest. The largest diameter tree I saw I estimated at thirteen feet wide.