The Kazumura Lava Tube

[bystander]

I know some people who conduct tours of the upper portion of the cave in Fern Acres. They bought the property a few years ago and discovered an entrance. There's a $10 "donation" they ask for. The old guy's name is Harry.

I once got lost in the Kaumana cave. Ever since then, I hate going into caves.

[Chuysmom]

I saw the picture in the PDF post previously linked...wow. Is there any doubt how it got it's name?[:I]

I am such a curious person that the thought of exploring these caves is attractive. However, I have a deep-seated fear of being far underground...LOL! I can do something simple like the Thurston Lava Tube, but maybe spelunking is not in my blood. Ha ha![]




Carrie

http://www.sapphiresoap.etsy.com

"Even the smallest person can change the course of the future..." Galadriel LOTR

[opihikao]

Just my opinion, I agree with ericlp...It is disrespectful to Tutu Pele. There are various legends and "in family" discussions regarding that site, however, it is not named as such by any Hawaiians. In fact, some say the ancient Hawaiians called it "Pele's womb"....That is not confirmed either, however, not as insulting a term.

As we translate the Hawaiian language into the English language, there is meaning lost (in the literal sense), thus, we perhaps get this kind of "inaccurate translation"...

It could also be a term some use for marketing purposes, and in this day and age, raises interest, which I also find distasteful. All in my opinion only.

[Carey]

You may want to look further into Kamapua`a, Kapo, Pele & kohe lele....

[Orchidlandguy]

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Originally posted by opihikao

Just my opinion, I agree with ericlp...It is disrespectful to Tutu Pele. There are various legends and "in family" discussions regarding that site, however, it is not named as such by any Hawaiians. In fact, some say the ancient Hawaiians called it "Pele's womb"....That is not confirmed either, however, not as insulting a term.

As we translate the Hawaiian language into the English language, there is meaning lost (in the literal sense), thus, we perhaps get this kind of "inaccurate translation"...

It could also be a term some use for marketing purposes, and in this day and age, raises interest, which I also find distasteful. All in my opinion only.

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marketing purposes? It has been called that for as long as I have heard of it. My family has elder Hawaiians and they call it Pele's privates. So, don't know where or who you are talkin bout, but I was a child when I first heard about it and it was called that then.
Agree with Carey, maybe you should check out some Hawaiian talk story. The sex is pretty vivid.

[opihikao]

Carey, and OrchidlandGuy...Mahalo for your response. Apologies for taking this off topic, a tad.

Kapo in myth

"She saved Pele from being raped by Kama-pua'a by sending her flying vagina (kohe lele) as a lure. Kama followed this to Koko Head, Oahu, where it left an imprint. Later Kapo hid it in Ka-lihi Valley."

"When the Hawaiians dream of a woman without a vagina it is Kapo. ... unless a medium possessed by Kapo wears a ti leaf protection she is in danger of having this part of her body torn at."


Kapo is strongly associated with several Pele stories, but a Moloka'i story says that she was part of a family of sorcerers on Moloka'i long before Pele arrived in the islands. Her full name is Kapo-'ula-kina'u, which can mean "the sacred night streaked with dark,"or "red eel woman." Kapo is most famous for being able to detach her vagina, and in one Pele story she used this ability to protect Pele from rape by sending her vagina across the sea so Kamapua'a would chase after it. (*My note: "kohe lele") She is also associated with reproductive energy, herbal medicine, and what today is called channeling. She is said to be able to take many forms at will, but is mostly associated with eels, birds, and the halapepe tree. Because she has more animal associations than other goddesses, she represents the element of animals.

Source: http://www.huna.org/html/hawaiian_goddesses.html

In our family, we have discussed all of the gods (and demi-gods) as we revere them. As most of our (my family) kupuna spoke Hawaiian, we gleaned only what they would allow us to hear, and what they chose to share. I'm over the age of "AARP status", so maybe our (yours and mine) kupuna had different perspectives.

Orchidlandguy, We are of the Pele, Kamohoalii lineage, my grandparents (each half Hawaiians)and greatgrandparents (pure Hawaiians) are who I am speaking of. Your reference to "the sex is pretty vivid" is not my interest, and "Hawaiian talk story" is just that...talk story...Perhaps we can agree storytelling is exactly what it is; none of us truly know, do we?

As folklore and mythology have various versions, no one is right nor wrong. I was merely stating my personal opinion...nothing more, nothing less.

For those who choose to venture into the tubes, be careful, please. So dangerous...Yes, many stories about the various tubes in Puna, too. The burial grounds for some, which as mentioned, should be kapu. Thank you again for allowing me to share my opinion, whether you agree or disagree, it remains the same...with all due respect.

[amf217]

Thank you for the information Opihikao.

I like it here in the shallow end of the gene pool

[Chuysmom]

Aloha Opihikao...no disrespect meant, certainly. It's hard for me to discern between "vagina" and "womb" as they are in my mind the same (or very nearly).

http://www.huna.org/html/hawaiian_goddesses.html

I also went to this site for clarity and find they use the word "vagina" frequently. The story of Kapo is something I've not heard before. It's very interesting reading.

Carrie

http://www.sapphiresoap.etsy.com

"Even the smallest person can change the course of the future..." Galadriel LOTR

[Bullwinkle]

"Hi'iaka was the only sister of Pele who came with her to Hawaii. The other Hi'iaka "sisters" are actually just aspects of the original Hi'iaka. "Armpit," by the way, was a euphemism for another part of the body, so Hi'iaka may actually have been the daughter of Pele"

interesting - from the same link

there may be a difference in how the main deity is addressed as opposed to the sub deity

I am willing to bet that if the translators of the christian god owners manual used the same vernacular for the privates belonging to the trinity - it may not fly so well either - a little respect, cultural sensitivity and poetic license going a long way in my humble opinion

The quote reads if it were lifted from Beckwith by the way

[Lucy]

Interesting thoughts. Moloka'i was known as the home of the sorcerers. Ho'ounauna was sending the spirit of a deceased relative to give warning or to perform other acts of mercy. So too were they sent for destruction. The Kahuna of Moloka'i sent akualele by scraping images of magically poisonous wood to their enemies. Fortunately the spirit could be returned to vents its destruction upon its kahu, the sorcerer who had sent it. The akualele-flying gods or spirits sent to bring destruction on one's enemies. the akualele resembled fireballs flying through the night sky.

Lucy

Having another Great day in Paradise, Wherever that Maybe!