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I think 50 years ago nobody had a clue what traffic would look like today. And not just in Hawaii; they've widened I-80 in the Bay Area at least twice; fortunately, the first time they bought all the properties that fronted the highway, built a frontage road, and kept a buffer zone for future expansion.
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It's really too bad the original developers weren't required to leave more buffer space for the future; the resulting problems won't be solved in our lifetime.
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50 years ago nobody had a clue what traffic would look like today
Their flawed assumption was that nobody would actually live here.
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50 years ago nobody had a clue what traffic would look like today
The DOT was probably counting on all those flying cars and jet packs we've been promised since the late 1960's:
In the Future!
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http://www.keaau-pahoa.com/
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Interesting the above reasons to justify is this....
" potential for significant traffic increases due to availability of approximately 56,000 residential lots in the Puna region."
Is there really 56,000 residential lots in puna? If so, where?
This website has a list of subdivisions and how many lots they each have, it looks accurate to me based on the numbers given for the one's I know about. Doing a rough estimate it adds up pretty quick to about that number.
http://www.punaguide.com/puna-subdivisions.html
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Most of the properties in Puna are zoned as agricultural land (Ag) and therefore most of these single family dwellings are actually considered "farm dwellings".
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It always comes up about the potential of 56,000 lots in Puna. However, that is all of Puna, north and south. If you have been here any amount of time and have any common sense, you know those are *potential* lots. There are about 30% that probably will never have a residence on them. There are thousands of abandoned residences. Kalapana and Seaview areas are going to stay undeveloped. Going up slope into the Fern Forest - HA area is out for a lot of people. Not sure what it is, but people come here and get fixated on growth. Over time, the societal mechanisms that establish a self regulating population environment becomes obvious. The only thing that is happening is more congestion of people clumped tighter together, not growth.
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the societal mechanisms that establish a self regulating population environment becomes obvious
Not so much "society" unless that construct is extended to include the anti-development attitude so prevalent in our lovely Planning Commission. From the same website:
However, many parts are still underdeveloped with no shopping centers or other public facilities nearby. That means that although these subdivisions are the size of small cities they do not look like a city at this point, and because some of the parcels are up to 3 acres, they probably never will.
Forcing all development into "commercial centers" (aka "Hilo") and then forcing everyone to sit in traffic on the single inadequate highway is an excellent formula for "more congestion of people clumped tighter together, not growth."
That said, the "anti-growth agenda" is definitely cheaper than retrofitting the proper level of infrastructure. It's going to be "hilarious" when HPP hits the wall. (Singling out HPP for obvious reasons: most lots, fastest growth.)
