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Sacred Pigs
#21
There weren't as many people back then but they were spread out evenly and every single one got their food from the land or the sea. There wasn't anything growing in the forest that was good to eat. All the food came from people and all the people would have nabbed any stray pig. They would have eaten any pig that got too comfortable rooting in their fields. Pork is yummy but must have been a luxury given that you get more food per square foot from eating the crops directly.

It is hard to believe but everything I have read says that there wasn't much in the native forest to eat for either humans or pigs. Pigs get a large part of their food eating earthworms today which is why they roto-till yards. There were no earthworms back then. Pigs eat a lot of guava which was not in Hawaii back then. It sounds like if you let a pig go back then he would stick around looking for scraps and what not. I have to assume that if he got into the garden you would shoo him away, fence him out, or kill him for dinner, much like a free range chicken.

I set about finding evidence of competition for resources in Hawaii in ancient times because I can't imagine that there would have been pigs left to hunt in an environment where people were already making maximum use of all available resources. Sort of a reality check. Not sure I found it but the link below makes some interesting reading. The article claims that the Hawaiian population peaked at something under 200,000 around 1450 and declined slowly after that. Anyway, lots of people presumably making use of every resource available. Anyway if cavemen killed off woolly mammoths early in the human colonization of the Americas and the Maori killed off the moas
early in the human colonization of New Zealand then I find it hard to believe that the Hawaiians would have been hunting anything so late in the human colonization of Hawaii, even if we pretend that pigs were not the closely coveted property that they were.

http://www.pelagicos.net/BIOL3010/readings/Dye_1994.pdf
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#22
[quote]Originally posted by MarkD

So much agreement....it would be a brave dissenter to speak up.....seems we only have one persistent nonconformist: Gypsy.

Where would we be without Gypsy to give us fodder for conversation (and sometimes outrage)?
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Behold you children on the undone!
Deuteronomy 14:3-8

3Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing. 4These are the beasts which ye shall eat: the ox, the sheep, and the goat, 5The hart, and the roebuck, and the fallow deer, and the wild goat, and the pygarg, and the wild ox, and the chamois. 6And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat. 7Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you. 8And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Slow Walker
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#23
The area that was fenced is way up mauka, between three and five miles from the edge of the forest. How many hunters actually go up that far? Not many, I'd bet.

Don't get me wrong, they ought to fence it all the way down, because it's beautiful. But having to deal with this kind of BS even for something that doesn't affect hunting means it'll never happen.
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#24
What's a pygarg? Just want to make sure if I see it on a restaurant menu it's tasty as well as being allowed. It seems bacon's off the menu though. And the Abominable Snowman.
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#25
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Originally posted by TomK

What's a pygarg? Just want to make sure if I see it on a restaurant menu it's tasty as well as being allowed. It seems bacon's off the menu though. And the Abominable Snowman.

Fe fi fo fum... There will be no bouch for you at the Queens table!
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#26
"Fe fi fo fum... There will be no bouch for you at the Queens table!"

Not a problem, unless they serve pygarg as I still don't know what it is. If I don't want bouch then I know several restaurants that don't treat people that way and most of them serve bacon as well. In any case, I don't care what the queen says and am not sure it would be a very enjoyable dinner date anyway, for several reasons.

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#27
[quote]Originally posted by TomK

"Fe fi fo fum... There will be no bouch for you at the Queens table!"

Not a problem, unless they serve pygarg as I still don't know what it is. If I don't want bouch then I know several restaurants that don't treat people that way and most of them serve bacon as well. In any case, I don't care what the queen says and am not sure it would be a very enjoyable dinner date anyway, for several reasons.

Check with George's Meat Market. I'm sure they will understand and fetch you some from the back freezer. Best of luck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygarg


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#28
Great. I'll be at Cafe 101 or maybe Ken's tomorrow and will order a dish of Siberian roe deer. Can't wait to see what it tastes like (probably chicken). [Wink]
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