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Trend or Policy it all comes out the same in the end.
Where are the mailboxes they lined up with the post office going to go then?
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Yeah. HPP people need to realize that:
* all the members need mailboxes
* land needs to be used to do it
* it will never be totally free
* the usps is not going to expand to do door to door
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HPP people also need to realize that after the recent resignations of two more Board members, bylaws and committees are things of the past, order that is gone with the wind, unless the current Board is overthrown at the next membership meeting, or Joy's bill passes. The Board will do what it wants to do.
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That fancy solar lighting will be stolen approx. every 3 months, I reckon.
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Mailboxes came up again at the meeting. And essentially the board was overthrown and bylaws were proposed to explicitly allow for raising funds for special projects which paves the way for mailboxes. A new committee was started and after the next general vote, if the provision allowing for special projects passes the membership ballot vote then it's very possible progress will be made to getting everyone mail access.
As a bonus, the members all agreed (except for 1 or 2) to the proposal that the League of Women Voters will do the vote tallies for HPP, instead of the office.
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Until a few years ago, the marked ballots always went to LWV. With them doing the counting, we can be assured of an accurate, honest tally, unlike Office staff, BOD and Manager doing the counting like the past few elections.
Conflict of interest has been coming up a lot lately in HPP business. It’s time for that to end.
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Conflict of interest has been coming up a lot lately in HPP business. It’s time for that to end.
Well hopefully the new bylaw, if it gets passed through the ballot vote that Mermaid presented, will help with that Kenney. We really needed that.
People put a Mailbox Committee together at the meeting so don't have to wait for a ballot vote to start working on it. After hearing the details of the deed I assume it's going to take a long time to find land for the mailboxes. I would think raising the money would come way after that's figured out.
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Mailboxes should be near the top of the subdivision. Everyone passes the top, not so the center locations.
Subscribers could buy a lot at the top for the boxes. Example: $50,000 lot/ 1000 subscribers for boxes = $50.00 each to buy.( or cheaper next to a rooster factory) If the boxes use half of the acre, do a long term lease on the remainder so someone can build a house, or get a special use permit for a business. The rent could help cover maintenance, or pay off the cost of the boxes.
After that, rent the boxes for a reasonable amount. At the post office if you don't pay you loose the box, not hard to understand.
Your thoughts?
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Subscribers could buy a lot at the top for the boxes.
I don't see "mailboxes" on the list of Permitted Uses for ag-zoned land, so this hypothetical expense of $50K for the lot must necessarily include enough money to cover obtaining the necessary Special Use permit or rezoning or whatever County might decide is appropriate.
After that, rent the boxes for a reasonable amount.
Buy the land, then buy the mailboxes, then pay rent on top? Sounds like the classic "pay twice for the privilege of paying again".
At the post office if you don't pay you loose the box
Exactly: I didn't buy a share of the post office, I was renting all along.
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Good comments BillyB. Maybe you should volunteer on the Mailbox Committee.
I understand that the presenter of all of those motions including the formation of the mailbox committee, also thought of throwing out another idea besides HPP buying its own lots for mailbox placement but decided not to.
That idea came from the board president back in 2012 when the original mailbox committee was formed and she had spoken with the Watamull's (the grantor of the 20 acre lots) attorney who said the Association could try to get the deed changed to allow for mailboxes but the process would be so complicated and expensive (attorney costs etc.) that the committee back then passed up on that idea.
I remember the presenter also saying that the idea for purchasing foreclosure lots to locate mailboxes was suggested by a board director at the time but obviously that idea was not attempted. Even though the presenter told us that HPP bought a foreclosed lot in 2012 for about $12,000. And then, (this board couldn't get more incompetent) the board sold that lot last year instead of using it for mailbox placement.
I do not know where that lot is located but I know that the idea to use it for mailboxes was never discussed by this incompetent board.
As many people have stated here and on other HPP related PT topics, this is a really complicated subject and not everyone is going to be pleased with what ever the new and improved Mailbox Committee comes up with and eventually proposes to the community.
