School immunizations

[terracore]

"There is a vaccine for shingles.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/shingle...index.html"

The Zostravax is the same vaccine they give to kids just 19 times stronger. If somebody has never had chickenpox or the vaccine, it could potentially give them either. Zostavax hasn't been recommended since Shingrix was released, and they recommend people who had Zostavax (51% effective) get revaccinated with Shingrix (over 90% effective).

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[Wao nahele kane]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4615573/
"Unfortunately, adjuvant research has lagged behind..."

"Mechanistic studies have been valuable in better understanding adjuvant action but mechanisms of adjuvant toxicity are less well understood."

The above is not based on anti-science, its based on the facts. Facts that are manifest in many unanswered questions. Facts that require scientific evaluation.

Be it the now questioned ties between Gulf War Syndrome and the adjuvant, squalene, now being pushed for in flu vaccines or some other adjuvant tied to other childhood syndomes, better research is needed.

Just because some choose not to gamble doesn't mean they're anti-science... it means they're against being a potential unwitting test subject.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

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Are you concerned about getting chickenpox, shingles, or both?

[terracore]

Chickenpox can be deadly to older people. One can't get shingles unless they've had chickenpox or the vaccine. I want to be protected from chickenpox without getting shingles in the exchange. I'm currently at risk of getting chickenpox but "immune" from shingles. I don't want to just switch the two, which would be what happens if I get the live vaccine. I want neither one of them.

I did some more research. "In theory" Shingrix should provide immunity to chickenpox but it's never been studied, and GlaxoSmithKline has said it's not going to study it because "there is already a chickenpox vaccine". Of course, why would drug companies want to reduce the number of products we "need"? Especially when they can give one vaccine that prevents a disease that can be caused by another?

I knew a lady who got VERY bad shingles during chemotherapy, including in her eyes. It can cause blindness.

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[jahson777]

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Originally posted by Wao nahele kane

This matter needs further investigation and until such a time, pretending that people are anti-science because they prefer to err on the side of caution with regard to some of the vaccines in question is disingenuous rhetoric.

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Amen!

[glinda]

people are anti-science because they prefer_________________________________.

Fill in the blank.. what's the catch phrase of the day?

[jahson777]

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Originally posted by TomK


3) If injecting pig gelatin is against some religious beliefs, that is not a problem science deals with, and again brings me back to whether you really understand science or not. Religious beliefs are not part of science. You ought to know and understand that.

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So will gelatin free flushots get made by monks in a monastery, Or by scientist working r&d for a pharmaceutical company looking to serve other markets? It would seem there is a place for science to create medicine in respect for the religious market.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

people are anti-science because they prefer_________________________________.
Fill in the blank..

... to be?

[terracore]

For what it's worth, Jews, Muslims, and others who don't eat pork can still play football and get vaccines (unless they eat the footballs or drink the vaccines):

For observant Muslims

WHO Letter Reports On Islamic Legal Scholars' Verdict on the Medicinal Use Of Gelatin Derived From Pork Products

From: IAC EXPRESS Issue Number 400 July 21, 2003

A letter written in July 2001 by the Regional Office of the World Health Organization (WHO) for the Eastern Mediterranean reported on the findings of more than one hundred Islamic legal scholars who met to clarify Islamic purity laws. The scholars met in 1995 at a seminar convened by the Islamic Organization for Medical Sciences on the topic "The Judicially Prohibited and Impure Substances in Foodstuff and Drugs."

The topic is of interest to the immunization community because some vaccines contain pork gelatin. In Islamic law, pork and pork products are impure, and observant Muslims do not consume them. Quoting from a statement issued by the scholars, the letter states the following: "The seminar issued a number of recommendations, included in the attached statement, stipulating that 'Transformation which means the conversion of a substance into another substance, different in characteristics, changes substances that are judicially impure . . . into pure substances, and changes substances that are prohibited into lawful and permissible substances'."

Consequently, the scholars determined that the transformation of pork products into gelatin alters them sufficiently to make it permissible for observant Muslims to receive vaccines containing pork gelatin and to take medicine packaged in gelatin capsules.

Directly access the WHO letter and the seminar statement



For observant Jews
31 July 2003

To whom it may concern

Re: Porcine and other animal derived ingredients in non oral medication.

It should be noted that according to Jewish laws, there is no problems with porcine or other animal derived ingredients in non oral products. This includes vaccines, injections, suppositories, creams and ointments.

Rabbi Abraham Adler, BPharm MRPharm S
Kashrus and Medicines Information Service

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/Porcine-vac...proval.htm

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

chickenpox... shingles... I want neither one of them.

In that case, so far you’ve succeeded! Keep up the good work.
As you noted shingles can be serious, even leading to blindness if it develops near your eye.

But... if you know the symptoms, get diagnosed IMMEDIATELY, and take an anti-viral, you may escape with little discomfort.

1) Initially you may feel a burning sensation, comparable to multiple fire ant bites, but it won’t go away.
2) At the site of the outbreak you may see an unusual rash pattern, almost like veins radiating outward, but it’s neural pathways. It’s hard to describe, but you can find photos online. It’s a unique pattern, which makes it likely you can correctly identify it.
3) Call your doctor immediately. Get an appointment that day, beg if you must, it will take him less than 5 minutes to diagnose. He’ll prescribe an anti-viral.
4) Pick up your prescription immediately. Buy a bottle of water. Take the first pill in the parking lot of the pharmacy.

If you do this within the first day, you may have few symptoms and no after affects. If you wait longer than 48 hours, the treatment will be effective, although by that time the shingles will have spread and intensified. The later you start the anti-viral the less effective it will be, but in any case better than if you wait even longer.