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[Obie]

"This is not due to trivial projection effects of your new position"

I couldn't take enough acid to make any sense out of that !

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

"This is not due to trivial projection effects of your new position"

Kama Sutra? Interstellar edition?

[TomK]

Any decent map of the milky way galaxy is accurate only from earth's unique position within it. As your distance from earth increases by light years, the galactic map based upon the paths light took to reach earth becomes progressively and randomly more imprecise. [...]

Yes, you are essentially agreeing with my points, which is why I'm puzzled you think Polynesian wayfaring would help. Do you also agree that if you have one agreed-upon reference point, e.g., the Earth, then you can create a 3-D map that can be used for interstellar navigation no matter where you are coming from; all you need to know is the Earth's position plus the coordinates, distances and proper motions of stars from that reference point and you can produce a map that works well enough for navigation in the past, present and future. The rest is, computationally, not that hard, just CPU-intensive.

[TomK]

With the right amount of acid it makes perfect sense.

To be fair, some points iquetzal makes are sort of based on reality but are just not presented clearly. No matter, what isn't clear is how:

"Hawaii must establish an Institute of Interstellar Navigation based upon Polynesian Wayfinding.".

Firstly, we'd have to be able to travel interstellar distances in a reasonable time which we can't do yet, or if an alien civilization wanted to learn that technique from Polynesians, they would have to know where the Earth is which goes back to what I posted a short while ago - whoever has to navigate needs to use the Earth as a reference point. Obviously, I'm not bringing up other issues right now, but what iquetzal has posted is self-contradictory.

[iquetzal]

With the right amount of acid it makes perfect sense.

To be fair, some points iquetzal makes are sort of based on reality but are just not presented clearly. No matter, what isn't clear is how:

"Hawaii must establish an Institute of Interstellar Navigation based upon Polynesian Wayfinding.".

Firstly, we'd have to be able to travel interstellar distances in a reasonable time which we can't do yet, or if an alien civilization wanted to learn that technique from Polynesians, they would have to know where the Earth is which goes back to what I posted a short while ago - whoever has to navigate needs to use the Earth as a reference point. Obviously, I'm not bringing up other issues right now, but what iquetzal has posted is self-contradictory.

At interstellar distances, the concept of a coordinate in space is meaningless. You can use coordinates to practice high science from a fixed position, but you cannot navigate with it.

The speed of light is abysmally slow. Any FTL technology that does not get you to 100,000 X C is a waste of time. Time Dilation as a function of velocity is, however, potentially infinite. It is time dilation that gets you to the stars. At a sustained thrust of 1 gravity, a starship can be anywhere in the galaxy within 20 years, ship time. This means all interstellar missions to distant stars will be one way trips. The Universe does not care about keeping Hollywood screenplays simple, or the desire of humans to return home before everything they knew is dust. The Fermi Paradox is the existence proof that FTL is physically impossible. The Gods dictate there shall be no galactic empires. The Gods are smart. FTL is a total waste of money and effort.

The physics of an acceleration pod capable of sustained 1G propulsion is demonstrated in hyperfast-pulsars that warp space in a static inertial frame by overloading the Holevo bound of spacetime via magnetic fields. These things exist. There are images of them. Google IGR J11014-6103. Super-Magnet technology capable of emulating this natural phenomenon is on the shelf. All that is required is a device driver capable of generating the complex field sequences required. This can be done via simulations of supernovae that are already well advanced. Problem is, these simulations to not emulate spacetime warping via information overload. Because that is bad JuJu by crazy people who must never get published.

I've written scientific papers on this stuff but I'm not a mentored PhD Astronomer, so no journal will touch it. You need three mentors to publish and academics are too terrified of being cancelled to risk looking at anything without a 'big name' and 'big school' attached to it. So they can all go eff themselves. I feel like I'm living in 1960 listening to 'experts' say that going to the moon is impossible. The experts are always wrong. But the world is getting ready to blow up in our face. It really is now or never. So I'm done with all this. If I win the lottery I'll buy an abandoned factory and build a starship and try to figure out how to get to that new earth someone is going to find in the next decade in Chile, since the Orks have taken Maunakea. Half the universe, blacked out. Thanks guys, And Aloha. Maybe hire some Hawaiian Navigator dude to fly the thing. No one else would have a clue.

[SBH]

I couldn't take enough acid to make any sense out of that !

I think PUNAWEB stands for People Using Narcotics After We Eat Bananas

[kalakoa]

Banana peels can be smoked.

[AaronM]

Good grief

[iquetzal]

It is time for me to stumble back into the weeds. I've trampled enough toes for awhile.
Puna is pure Freedom. The only place that comes close is Ocean View.
Aloha.

[TomK]

I've written scientific papers on this stuff but I'm not a mentored PhD Astronomer, so no journal will touch it. You need three mentors to publish and academics are too terrified of being cancelled to risk looking at anything without a 'big name' and 'big school' attached to it.

That is simply untrue. Papers are accepted for publication by reputable science journals all the time without big names or big schools attached to them. You are making this up.