Hawaiian Paradise Park might get a park

[macuu222]

And then theyʻll plant coconuts!

Or they’ll force the project through like the HPP mailboxes, spend most of the money and discover it’s a Native Hawaiian burial site.  Then in the chatty HPPOA letter to homeowners they’ll inform us for the last four months the project delay is due to county officials. 
HPPOA knew in May or June.  How do I know?  I was told by a site worker in June weeks after the discovery.

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/202...oject/amp/

I would have really liked to have read about halting mailbox building in HPP because of ancient Hawaiian burial site but unfortunately its a pay only link.

[HiloJulie]

No problem! I speak HTH:

Discovery of burial site halts work on HPP mailbox project

By MICHAEL BRESTOVANSKY Hawaii Tribune-Herald | Thursday, September 19, 2024, 12:05 a.m.

The discovery of a Native Hawaiian burial site in Hawaiian Paradise Park has some residents concerned.

In July, work was being carried out by the Hawaiian Paradise Park Owners Association to clear part of a 20-acre parcel on Makuu Drive between 16th and 17th avenues to develop a small mailbox project for the subdivision.

But that work halted after workers discovered a lava tube that had evidently been used as a burial site.

During an August meeting of the Hawaii Island Burial Council, resident Keoni Alvarez said the part of the lava tube that was discovered in July evidently was another entrance into a tube with a previously known burial site elsewhere inside. A January meeting of that Burial Council recognized Alvarez as a cultural descendant of the remains within the cave.

Karin Hoffman, president of the HPPOA, said the mailbox project only covers 0.9 acres, which isn’t large enough for it to have required an archaeological survey of the area.

While workers and association members conducted multiple walk-throughs of the site before the project began, Hoffman said they did not discover the cave.

Alvarez told the Burial Council in August that crews had inadvertently “opened up” the tube.

“We notified all the proper authorities,” Hoffman said, listing entities including the Department of Land and Natural Resources’ State Historic Preservation Division and Hawaii County. “They asked us to block the cave entrance to keep people from entering. So we did.”

Although the cave entrance is visible from the roadway, it currently resembles nothing more than a pile of rocks against a hill, Hoffman said. Before it was closed off, Hoffman estimated the tube measured about 10 feet wide and about 5 feet high at the entrance.

“We’re not sure if this entrance is linked to other burial sites,” Hoffman said. “We don’t want folks going in if the cave is connected to the other one.”

HPPOA has met and cooperated with cultural practitioners with ancestral ties to the cave, who have said they want to build a wall around the entrance to both prevent access and recognize the cultural site, Hoffman said. She added that HPPOA is amenable to this, so long as it doesn’t use association funding.

Because HPPOA has cooperated with SHPD and other agencies, Hoffman said she considers the association’s involvement in the matter largely concluded. But, she said, other HPP residents have used the discovery as ammunition in an effort to halt the mailbox project.

The HPP resident said she believes the association has violated its bylaws by spending resources on the mailboxes, and suggested that it should have been required to perform an archaeological survey in order to begin work on the project.

A representative of DLNR stated that SHPD could not respond to questions about ongoing investigations.

The matter will once again be discussed at 9:30 a.m. today at a meeting of the Burial Council.

Email Michael Brestovansky at mbrestovansky@hawaiitribune-herald.com

[macuu222]

Thank You!!!

[Obie]

That was all brought on by a young lady who doesn't own property in HPP. She also has some issues that I won't post about on here. She has had several restraining orders against her and she nearly did jail time for violating a restraining order.

Most of that Trib article was out of date and HPPOA did everything according to the law.

That 20acre lot was deeded to the country awhile back but 2018 put it on the back burner. Previous to deeding it there was so much opposition by the vocal minority that the park was built in Pahoa.

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"Punchline: a new park will require additional maintenance staff and equipment, funded by taxes. Vote wisely."

Why don't you tell us where you live on the mainland now ? I would like to comment on how screwed up your new location is.

[kalianna]

_______________is a genuine nut case. I spoke to her once when she was protesting the road extension by the community center. It took about two minutes for her to become hysterical even though I wasnʻt antagonistic to her POV. I tired to back away and leave but she got increasingly agitated. Mentally unstable woman.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

a genuine nut case.

That may or may not be true, I don’t know if I ever met her but generally when I see exaggerated arm waving and hear loud voices I walk a safe distance away from the side show.

There are however some people who are not in favor of the mailbox parks with valid reasons without the theatrics.  I joined an anti mailbox park mailing list a while back to read their objections, and 80% made sense, 20% was unrelated backstory, sometimes unfortunate personal attacks.

When it’s a group though you’re bound to get some chaff with the wheat, even if everyone agrees with the general principle.

[Punatang]

I apologize if creating parks has become a political ideal here.

On behalf of 337 million US Citizens, I gratefully accept your apology. We are making the best of the situation.

https://www.census.gov/popclock/?os=vbkn42&ref=app



 It never occurred to me that I was part of some social control conspiracy.

I feel exactly the same and it does make me wonder what else we've been blissfully unaware of.


Thanks for the great videos. Good titters, chortles, and guffaws!

[Kiana]

Kalakoa:
"Punchline: a new park will require additional maintenance staff and equipment, funded by taxes. Vote wisely."

Obie:
"Why don't you tell us where you live on the mainland now ? I would like to comment on how screwed up your new location is."


Yeah Obie! I have often wondered why people who move away continue to come back to Punaweb, and I really don't get K's often rude insults to Puna when he compares how great his wonderful new landing spot is. How about just be happy where you are leave us the f alone. 

[TomK]

I apologize if creating parks has become a political ideal here.

On behalf of 337 million US Citizens, I gratefully accept your apology. We are making the best of the situation.

https://www.census.gov/popclock/?os=vbkn42&ref=app

Well, you have to be a little careful there because that number includes people like me, utter degenerates, but are still counted in the census. We can't vote (who would we vote for anyway?) and are not allowed to express our opinion in a court of law about whether someone is guilty, but being aliens, we probably don't understand laws anyway.

[kalakoa]

I never said it was "better" here.

Every place has its flaws, choose the ones that don't bother you.

Hawaii offers a never-ending economic and governance trainwreck which continues to fascinate.