Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids in Hawaii

['elepaio]

you can delete over and over Rob. it just unveils your bias.. It doesn't change the truth. .MM . i hope you read before he cowardly took it down. .

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Sent cheu thoughtful and nice reply . . pure PW kine . Rob club took it off twice .. no explanations.

Tanks bro.
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[MyManao]

Drink tea!

Fun. Another, as this article points out..

Inside Hawai‘i’s Small but Persisting ‘True Tea’ Industry

Specialty crop that the Big Island is ideally situated to grow. And, as is with coffee, its production is labor intensive. So much so as to be unable to grow beyond the backyard enthusiasts stage that it has been ever since its most recent introduction by the state’s ag experimental stations 25 years ago.

Growing tea is pretty easy to begin with, but picking and processing the picked leaves is intensive, and so demanding that the only way it’s possibly profitable, without a large cheap labor force, is the high end specialty market. Which is the same for Hawaiian coffees.

And still the question remains.. who is going to harvest the crops if the thugs keep coming? I doubt ‘e’s up to the task. Seriously, can you imagine da buggah out there picking da beans? In fact I doubt any of the folks that support this mad rush to rid our society of brown people are willing to do it. They're too lazy.. by far.

[ironyak]

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/202...ce-agents/

Hawaii legislative bills advance to unmask ICE agents
"The first of several Hawaii legislative bills that would unmask federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents was met with concerns Tuesday from the Honolulu Police Department and state Department of Law Enforcement that backup officers from their departments also could be identified while supporting local undercover operations.
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“The bill already exempts officers undercover,” Judiciary Chair Karl Rhoads (D, Nuuanu-Downtown-Iwilei) told Honolulu Police Department Maj. Manuel Hernandez and DLE Deputy Director Jared Redulla. “But then your argument is that there are, like, a category of people who aren’t yet undercover?”
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State Sen. Joy San Buena­ventura (D, Puna), however, insisted that “anybody who abuses their power needs to be identifiable.”
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The Judiciary Committee deferred SB 2203 to today — but only after Rhoads said there is a clear demand in Hawaii to respond to ICE immigration operations, especially following the separate shooting deaths of two demonstrators in Minneapolis in January.

In addition to in-person testimony over SB 2203, Tuesday’s Judiciary hearing also received 151 pages of written testimony that was overwhelmingly in favor.
" (more at link)

[ironyak]

Trying to extract some value from the wreckage of the Bicker Board, these unanswered questions were quite timely:

HereOnThePrimalEdge - How is it that normally reasonable people who perfectly well understand the concept above, have been brainwashed into a one size fits all mentality equating a coffee picker in Kona, with a human trafficker on Oahu?

And if your argument is “they shouldn’t be here” then why does ICE target immigrants who are going through all the legal channels to gain citizenship (it’s a thing!) and grab them while they have appointments, hearings, etc for legal paperwork, legal extension requests?

Summary of story below: Hawai'i immigrant taken into custody at a routine green card appointment, spent 5 months in jail, no charges ever filed, only just released. Any right-or-alt-right-of center folks want to actually try to address this situation as being morally or legally defensible?

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/202...ice-arrest
"A 42-year-old Captain Cook man who was locked up more than five months by the federal government without charges or bond was freed late last month, the American Civil Liberties Union of Hawaii said Tuesday.
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Estrada Lopez, who has no criminal history — immigration violations are civil law, Stacy said — was taken into federal custody by Immigration and Customs Enforcement during an application interview for a green card in August.

Stacy on Jan. 14 told the Tribune-Herald that Estrada Lopez was “ripped away” from his wife while she was being interviewed. He was taken to the Federal Detention Center in Honolulu, where he remained incarcerated without charges or bond until his release on Jan. 27.

Lopez’s wife, Emily Estrada, said in a statement last month that her husband’s “unexpected detention at our green card interview has turned our lives completely upside down.”

“What we thought was just a routine step in our immigration process has become the most difficult five months of our lives,” she said. “Juan defines himself by his ability to provide, and losing that has been devastating." (more at link)

[HiloJulie]

Any right-or-alt-right-of center folks want to actually try to address this situation as being morally or legally defensible? 

While there is no real moral or legally defensible position one could reasonably use, even though I am sure some will come up with a few, but also consider that it costs ICE an average of $165.00 per day to house a detainee. (I am sure much more for Hawaii) 

So 5 months @ 30 days a month is 150 days @ $165.00 per day is $24,750.00.

Contrast that to the husband, wife and son trio arrested on numerous drug possession and illegal firearms charges who spent 5 days at HCCC before being granted supervised release and tell me, where SHOULD your anger be placed? Morally, legally and taxpayer fiscal responsibility?

I'll take a 1,000 Estrada Lopez's as my next door neighbors hands down before I'd even think of just ONE of the trio living anywhere here in Hawaii that's for damn sure.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

I'll take a 1,000 Estrada Lopez's as my next door neighbors hands down before I'd even think of just ONE …

And you’d most likely be 1000 times safer.
There’s an excellent book that explains how and why humans are so bad in risk assessment. We minimize some factors and exaggerate other details leading to faulty conclusions, especially when making snap judgments (a survival mechanism from early human existence). Now, add to that people who watch a news channel all day with incorrect and flawed information, and it only gets worse.

The book is:
Thinking Fast and Slow
Daniel Kahneman

[randomq]

We know quite a few undocumented folks here on the big island. Some have lived here for decades. Some are families with both citizens and non. I always thought if you were a citizen your spouse could automatically become one? But with enforcement like this, no one is going to want to risk it. Seems counterproductive, unless your goal is just racial terrorism.

[MyManao]

Seems counterproductive, unless your goal is just racial terrorism.

By golly I think you're on to something there. Do keep in mind the goal is to remove 100 million.. and with only 15 mil or so illegal that's a lot of the rest of us. And, as I pointed out many pages back, it basically breaks down to a land grab.. especially here in Hawaii.

In other words, the housing crisis will never go away.. they'll just replace everyone with rich white people..

[ironyak]

Maui County may be wayfinding a path for other Hawai'i counties to follow so as to not get entangled with the federal crackdown on immigrants.

ICE Concerns Spur Maui’s Move To Sever Ties With Feds
https://www.civilbeat.org/2026/03/maui-m...p-fbi-ice/

"Worried about immigration actions across the nation, the Maui County Council voids longtime local partnership between its police and the FBI.

After months of discussion, activism and political maneuvering about immigration enforcement, Maui has inched ahead of other Hawaiʻi counties in reassessing its relationships with federal law enforcement agencies.

The county has at least temporarily untied itself from a partnership its police department has had with the FBI, and the County Council chair said she wants to revisit its agreement with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, too.

Together, the developments could cut a path for other Hawaiʻi counties to follow, say advocates who have urged officials statewide to prevent local officers from becoming entangled in the federal crackdown on immigrants." (more at link)

[kalakoa]

Funny, the usual excuse is "Federal law pre-empts..."