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Ironyak, sorry I don't remember the exact prompt. Something like "just for fun, rank the posters on this thread by demonstrated IQ, and identify any logical fallacies used by each."
MyManao, that's the beauty of intelligence for pennies, you don't even need a point!
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(10-05-2026, 03:24 AM)randomq Wrote: you don't even need a point!
Other than to surrender your humanity, no biggie, eh?
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I recently viewed the Ezra Klein interview with Bill Gates on the subject of AI and found it worthwhile. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_156w0aYtU
He says the threat of AI being used to create a bioweapon or cyberattack is real right now so there's an urgent need for regulation to create safe guards. He dismisses the concern that regulation would "slow down" its development as false. Gates believes all those dreaded data centers will be built whether we like it or not. He also believes many jobs will be lost, more than AI creates.
I was slightly distracted by his consistent fidgeting when the video showed his body from the side and figured he was either overcaffeinated or suffering from an essential tremor.
AI says it's the behavioral habit "stimming". Gates considers himself to be autistic.
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10-13-2026, 06:32 PM
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randomq - Something like "just for fun, rank the posters on this thread by demonstrated IQ, and identify any logical fallacies used by each.")
Thanks - in its "intelligence" (you keep using that word... ;) it seems it may misunderstand snark and silliness for logical fallacies, as if what we're doing here on Punaweb is actually some sort of serious debate (those days are long gone, if to whatever limited degree they once existed), and not largely just often absurdist hot takes on the topic du jour.
Durian Fiend - I recently viewed the Ezra Klein interview with Bill Gates on the subject of AI and found it worthwhile.
Thanks - was interesting overall, although I think Gates is overestimating the bioweapons issue. Designing new bioweapons is not a difficult task (a handful of years ago, machine learning came up with 40,000 such candidate molecules in just six hours), but actually making them requires real world expertise, facilities, and materials, most of which are under sanctions and government control. Klein does a good job pushing on this real-world distinction, which Gates largely avoids, because outside of the internet, obtaining information is just the first of many steps - the idea actually has to be translated into physical reality, which has its own set of limitations and constraints.
An "AI" phone nurse isn't real great at inserting IVs or catheters, and there's a reason most of the meth in Puna comes from Mexico and other loose-rule-of-law territories, and it's not because they somehow have special access to recipes on the web or from an unregulated "AI" chatbot.
As for cyberattacks, yeah, the internet is a kludged together mess of code, full of vulnerabilities, which Claude et al will both help identify how to exploit and then also contribute to with many reams more of vibe-coded output. Hopefully we would have learned by now to not expose critical controls for physical infrastructure to the open web, but I guess not. The lessons will continue until we value reliability over cost reduction.
And so here again lies Puna's tactical advantage going into the future - you can't hack infrastructure, or take a white color job, that doesn't exist. Long live the unlit dirt "roads", circle of doom roundabouts, tubs of collected rainwater, tank-in-the-ground sewers, off-grid energy sources, and local food production. We'll be the last human reboubt when the Optimus bots rise up and try to Grok us all (if they can, unlike most electronics here, actually handle the humidity ;)
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when the Optimus bots rise up and try to Grok us all (if they can, unlike most electronics here, actually handle the humidity 
Can an Optimus climb through the jungle?
Is it designed to walk over a’a?
Hurricanes, salt, humidity, sun. Will they create mounds of plastic covered circuitry? Soon covered with vines and moss?
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(10-13-2026, 06:32 PM)ironyak Wrote: ..And so here again lies Puna's tactical advantage going into the future - you can't hack infrastructure, or take a white color job, that doesn't exist. Long live the unlit dirt "roads", circle of doom roundabouts, tubs of collected rainwater, tank-in-the-ground sewers, off-grid energy sources, and local food production. We'll be the last human reboubt when the Optimus bots rise up and try to Grok us all (if they can, unlike most electronics here, actually handle the humidity
Nicely put. Isolation has its advantages. We're safe (for now) from mainland launched drones too. Zeihan recently mentioned some of the new ones Ukraine has developed have a range of 1,000 miles.
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I get your very valid point Fiend and this is absolutely just information to complement your idea. This is not to be argumentative, and certainly not to be nasty.
There are confirmed, recent reports of 2000 mile drone sorties. Things move fast in AI and Drone warfare. Parts of Alaska are < 2500 miles from parts of the main Hawaiian Islands. Unconfirmed reports have drone attacks approaching 3,500 miles.
Anthropic recently gave Claude Opus 4 & 4.1, permission to cut off “persistently harmful or abusive user interactions.” Hmmm. AI in Puna?
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recent reports of 2000 mile drone sorties.
There are many types of drones. Small, large. The US has had drones in use in the Middle East for decades that stayed airborne undetected for many days. That’s why the US has so many bases there, one reason anyway. The unarmed drones could launch, track terrorist leaders for days and weeks, learn their movements, then an armed drone would be sent to finish the job.
A larger drone could be like a small Cessna, except unpiloted. Not hard to imagine that could reach thousands of miles. A larger drone of that type would probably require a high value target. Probably nothing like that in Puna. Swarms of inexpensive smaller drones wouldn’t have that range. Of course, they could always be launched from a boat. But towards Puna, to what end?
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10-14-2026, 06:42 PM
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(10-14-2026, 05:51 PM)Punatang Wrote: I get your very valid point Fiend and this is absolutely just information to complement your idea. This is not to be argumentative, and certainly not to be nasty.
There are confirmed, recent reports of 2000 mile drone sorties. Things move fast in AI and Drone warfare. Parts of Alaska are < 2500 miles from parts of the main Hawaiian Islands. Unconfirmed reports have drone attacks approaching 3,500 miles...
Wow. Looks like this was done with the same FP-1 platform that costs $55K for the base model.
(10-14-2026, 06:17 PM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: recent reports of 2000 mile drone sorties.
There are many types of drones. Small, large. The US has had drones in use in the Middle East for decades that stayed airborne undetected for many days. That’s why the US has so many bases there, one reason anyway. The unarmed drones could launch, track terrorist leaders for days and weeks, learn their movements, then an armed drone would be sent to finish the job.
A larger drone could be like a small Cessna, except unpiloted. Not hard to imagine that could reach thousands of miles. A larger drone of that type would probably require a high value target. Probably nothing like that in Puna. Swarms of inexpensive smaller drones wouldn’t have that range. Of course, they could always be launched from a boat. But towards Puna, to what end?
Many of those bases have been seriously damaged recently by Iranian drones.
Yes, it seems likely that evil AI drone attacks would ignore Hawaii.
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10-14-2026, 07:11 PM
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damaged recently by Iranian drones.
And remember when the US was the only country with drone technology? And Iran shot one down? Then paraded it through the streets? And reversed engineered it and Iran became the second country producing drones?
Circle of life (and death) Simba.
Fortunately in Puna so far the extent of our drone problems are a high pitched buzz when hobbyists fly their toys overhead. And HECO checks their power lines:
https://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2026/...re-safety/
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