11-23-2015, 03:32 PM
PT wrote:
"The infrared noise at the summit of Mauna Kea is the sun heating the rocks during the day, doh! As for the upgrades, they are related to that."
I assume from this that the rocks at the TMT site are magic rocks that don't heat up during the day, then. In fact, what you are describing is ground-layer seeing, not "infrared noise", and it's a more significant problem at the TMT site than the summit ridge. The TMT site is on a plateau meaning more thermal mass surrounding it compared to the telescopes on the ridge. For telescopes such as the CFHT, Gemini and UKIRT, ground-layer seeing extends to about 100 feet above the ground. TMT site testing demonstrated the ground-layer effect extended much higher, over 300 feet.
E.g.,
http://sitedata.tmt.org/docs/TMT.SiteTes...-04-08.pdf
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009MNRAS.394.1121C
And no, the upgrades aren't related as an upgraded infrared array will make no difference to ground-layer seeing. How could it? Adaptive optics, however, do, which is why the TMT will have such a system.
PS. Hope it was good popcorn, Pog!
"The infrared noise at the summit of Mauna Kea is the sun heating the rocks during the day, doh! As for the upgrades, they are related to that."
I assume from this that the rocks at the TMT site are magic rocks that don't heat up during the day, then. In fact, what you are describing is ground-layer seeing, not "infrared noise", and it's a more significant problem at the TMT site than the summit ridge. The TMT site is on a plateau meaning more thermal mass surrounding it compared to the telescopes on the ridge. For telescopes such as the CFHT, Gemini and UKIRT, ground-layer seeing extends to about 100 feet above the ground. TMT site testing demonstrated the ground-layer effect extended much higher, over 300 feet.
E.g.,
http://sitedata.tmt.org/docs/TMT.SiteTes...-04-08.pdf
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009MNRAS.394.1121C
And no, the upgrades aren't related as an upgraded infrared array will make no difference to ground-layer seeing. How could it? Adaptive optics, however, do, which is why the TMT will have such a system.
PS. Hope it was good popcorn, Pog!

