08-20-2017, 01:59 PM
How much Hawaiian culture have they incorporated into the service?
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Odd statement.
The point of my OP is to draw a comparison between the TMT & the Mormon Church in Hawaii, and how "The Protectors" blame all manner of cultural and religious ills on one, and not on the other. Read some of the comments made at the TMT hearing about the detrimental effects telescopes on Mauna Kea have on Hawaiian practitioners, then consider whether missionaries and churches have caused similar or even more extensive losses to Hawaiian tradition.
The Mormon Church has certainly had positive effects in many ways on their membership and neighbors. They also have a fair number of questionable practices, such as baptizing without permission people of other faiths after they've died. It's an ongoing program with a goal to convert billions of people, identified through their wholly owned non-profit Ancestry.com website. If their religion won't even allow you to rest in peace with your own faith or lack thereof after you've died, they certainly had no compunction in converting and replacing the faith of living Hawaiians back in the 1800's.
For all the good they have done, the church and their missionaries have also perpetrated more harm on the Hawaiian people, their culture and religion than the TMT ever could. And "The Protectors" stand silent. No rocks in the driveways of Mormon Churches or other churches in the islands. It's not the telescopes that banned the Hawaiian language, banned hula, and created dress codes for Hawaiian women. It's not the telescopes that replaced an existing way of life and belief system with their own.
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Odd statement.
The point of my OP is to draw a comparison between the TMT & the Mormon Church in Hawaii, and how "The Protectors" blame all manner of cultural and religious ills on one, and not on the other. Read some of the comments made at the TMT hearing about the detrimental effects telescopes on Mauna Kea have on Hawaiian practitioners, then consider whether missionaries and churches have caused similar or even more extensive losses to Hawaiian tradition.
The Mormon Church has certainly had positive effects in many ways on their membership and neighbors. They also have a fair number of questionable practices, such as baptizing without permission people of other faiths after they've died. It's an ongoing program with a goal to convert billions of people, identified through their wholly owned non-profit Ancestry.com website. If their religion won't even allow you to rest in peace with your own faith or lack thereof after you've died, they certainly had no compunction in converting and replacing the faith of living Hawaiians back in the 1800's.
For all the good they have done, the church and their missionaries have also perpetrated more harm on the Hawaiian people, their culture and religion than the TMT ever could. And "The Protectors" stand silent. No rocks in the driveways of Mormon Churches or other churches in the islands. It's not the telescopes that banned the Hawaiian language, banned hula, and created dress codes for Hawaiian women. It's not the telescopes that replaced an existing way of life and belief system with their own.
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