So, a couple of things Julie, as you do not have all of the info.
1. The HPPOA bylaws have probably been illegally amended at least 8 times, since 1984. There is a court process that HPPOA is supposed to follow and they have not done it.
3. Part of the court process, regarding the bylaws, is that HPP Owners do not have to be members BUT HPP Owners REGARDLESS of if they are members or not, must be allowed to vote (ask why Hoffman allowed those of us who are not members to vote at the last Owners/members meeting). The REASON HPP Owners are allowed to vote is because HPP Owners are "compelled" to pay Restricted Road Fee Money. And the Hawaii Supreme Court ruled it was Utra Vires to force Owners (who were not club members) to pay Road Maintenance Fees and not be allowed to vote.
3. The very definition of "in good standing" is an HPP owner who is current with their Road Fees (not membership dues).
4. As I have stated before, the terms members and Owners, HPPOA and HPP, have been and are frequently and incorrectly switched out for one another. Whether HPPOA and their attorneys did this intentionally (because they wanted to be a "viable community association") or it was just a sloppy mistake, who can say? But Owners were given rights to participate and make decisions in HPPOA governance- the Hawaii Supreme Court said so.
HPPOA's HUGE problem is their Charter. And because their Charter does not address certain particulars (Road Maintenance being one) they have tried, for decades, to correct their short-comings using the bylaws. It is a messy business.
Still, as DEFINED by the HPPOA CHARTER (their words, not mine):
"To foster an atmosphere of cooperation and harmony that encourages the participation of LOT OWNERS in the management and operation of the association."
Lastly, what are you all so worried about? And why do you care? Are you worried the "whacko chick" might actually win?
Since we’re mincing words, management and operation could be considered distinct from board members
Don't think so, seeing as the board has been clear that THEY and only THEY are large and in charge of management and operations.
If you don't believe me, ask them. "All committees are advisory..."
1. The HPPOA bylaws have probably been illegally amended at least 8 times, since 1984. There is a court process that HPPOA is supposed to follow and they have not done it.
3. Part of the court process, regarding the bylaws, is that HPP Owners do not have to be members BUT HPP Owners REGARDLESS of if they are members or not, must be allowed to vote (ask why Hoffman allowed those of us who are not members to vote at the last Owners/members meeting). The REASON HPP Owners are allowed to vote is because HPP Owners are "compelled" to pay Restricted Road Fee Money. And the Hawaii Supreme Court ruled it was Utra Vires to force Owners (who were not club members) to pay Road Maintenance Fees and not be allowed to vote.
3. The very definition of "in good standing" is an HPP owner who is current with their Road Fees (not membership dues).
4. As I have stated before, the terms members and Owners, HPPOA and HPP, have been and are frequently and incorrectly switched out for one another. Whether HPPOA and their attorneys did this intentionally (because they wanted to be a "viable community association") or it was just a sloppy mistake, who can say? But Owners were given rights to participate and make decisions in HPPOA governance- the Hawaii Supreme Court said so.
HPPOA's HUGE problem is their Charter. And because their Charter does not address certain particulars (Road Maintenance being one) they have tried, for decades, to correct their short-comings using the bylaws. It is a messy business.
Still, as DEFINED by the HPPOA CHARTER (their words, not mine):
"To foster an atmosphere of cooperation and harmony that encourages the participation of LOT OWNERS in the management and operation of the association."
Lastly, what are you all so worried about? And why do you care? Are you worried the "whacko chick" might actually win?
Since we’re mincing words, management and operation could be considered distinct from board members
Don't think so, seeing as the board has been clear that THEY and only THEY are large and in charge of management and operations.
If you don't believe me, ask them. "All committees are advisory..."