05-11-2025, 05:11 PM
"Isn't this what we call "what aboutism"?"
Yes, its called that. And when used as in the context the poster used it, its also called "gaslighting."
While one can argue that deporting illegal immigrants is right and proper, what is missing in todays climate is the right of Due Process.
Further confounding the issue today, is the holder of the highest office in America (some say even the world) is seemingly confused on his role and the requirement to uphold the Constitution.
And now, the discussion of the suspension of habeas corpus is put on the table. If (or when) that happens, as Lee Kovarsky, law professor at the University of Texas and expert on habeas corpus, said it would be a “national historical disaster.”
“The executive could just detain you, and there would be no recourse,” he said. “Obviously they would do it to try to detain certain non citizens, but there’s no reason why it’s limited to them.”
As for the teachers who are here in Hawaii from the Philippines on the J-1 Visa Program, I am more concerned what will happen to them if the Orange "Sybil" in the Oval wakes up one morning and decides to abolish the whole Visa Exchange program. It's already being tried and done with other sections of the Visa Exchange programs.
If that happens, will we see ICE breaking down the doors of schools while in session and rounding up the "illegal" teachers during math class in front of the students?
"You might be right. Please forgive my ignorance on this. Can you please enumerate or provide links to exactly what process is due to individuals who break the law and enter Hawaii illegally?"
You need Due Process to legally determine they are here illegally in the first place. And yes, not knowing this is called "ignorance of the law."
Yes, its called that. And when used as in the context the poster used it, its also called "gaslighting."
While one can argue that deporting illegal immigrants is right and proper, what is missing in todays climate is the right of Due Process.
Further confounding the issue today, is the holder of the highest office in America (some say even the world) is seemingly confused on his role and the requirement to uphold the Constitution.
And now, the discussion of the suspension of habeas corpus is put on the table. If (or when) that happens, as Lee Kovarsky, law professor at the University of Texas and expert on habeas corpus, said it would be a “national historical disaster.”
“The executive could just detain you, and there would be no recourse,” he said. “Obviously they would do it to try to detain certain non citizens, but there’s no reason why it’s limited to them.”
As for the teachers who are here in Hawaii from the Philippines on the J-1 Visa Program, I am more concerned what will happen to them if the Orange "Sybil" in the Oval wakes up one morning and decides to abolish the whole Visa Exchange program. It's already being tried and done with other sections of the Visa Exchange programs.
If that happens, will we see ICE breaking down the doors of schools while in session and rounding up the "illegal" teachers during math class in front of the students?
"You might be right. Please forgive my ignorance on this. Can you please enumerate or provide links to exactly what process is due to individuals who break the law and enter Hawaii illegally?"
You need Due Process to legally determine they are here illegally in the first place. And yes, not knowing this is called "ignorance of the law."
“I could say the stupidest things and you’d clap”
-DJT
-DJT