Hmm - apparently I missed a reply that resulted in a vacation. FWIW (which is very little given all I missed) I would have hoped that MyManao's reply would have made clear how to discuss the topic with a focus on Hawai'i. For instance, one could try:
- How many unauthorized immigrants are estimated to be in Hawai'i? ~42,000 (~3% of the population), with roughly half being from the Philippines, and most of the rest from Micronesia, Marshall Islands, and China/Hong Kong. About 80% have a High school diploma or above, 50%/50% male to female split, about 25% are married, many to U.S. citizens, about 32% own a house, and about 38% have been here 20 years or more.
Probably more could be said about immigration patterns if one wanted to look up historical trends, but in general the current situation in Hawai'i does not appear to be a flood of gang-bangers arriving by small boats on our local black sand beaches. If someone has a credible source showing high crime rates in Hawai'i attached to the actual sort of human migration happening, please do share.
leilanidude - that is still 14% too many to begin with, right
Not sure what you're trying to say - 14% with a criminal record is too high, so there should be 0% of those arrested having a violent criminal record instead? Only target the older purple-heart veterans living in Hawai'i whose crimes are non-violent drug offenses tied to PTSD after being injured in yet another U.S. intervention in Central America?
Or are you saying that you think infringing on and damaging everyone's rights, most notably the first (protest/speech), second (right to bear arms), fourth (right to privacy and against illegal search and seizure), fifth (due process), and fourteenth (equal protection of the law), and killing innocent people is worth it to deport the couple dozen undocumented immigrants Tang noted were arrested in Honolulu? What is actually the larger threat to you and everyone else?
leilanidude - As to drug offenses not being considered by your "violent" count, in Hawaii, where meth and other drugs are contributing to plenty of burglaries and thefts, that is also way too many folks who should not be here either.
Deport all burglars and/or drug users, regardless of citizenship? Or just those that use "bad drugs" (ye old crack vs cocaine disparities)? Again, WTF are you on about?
Meth doesn't cause theft, poverty does (the use of street drugs is closely correlated with the cycle of poverty so poverty is more likely the cause of meth use as well), but you keep arguing against SNAP and Section 8 and every program that tries to help people survive in Hawai'i as if people cut off from resources are just going to go homeless and starve, preferably out of your sight somewhere.
As discussed many times here, the Puna po-po aren't going to prevent your stuff being stolen, probably not even do much after the fact. You're better off actually being a part of, and working within, your community so everyone is looking out for one another and should someone get a hankering for your stuff, someone's cousin can chime in about how you helped their auntie move her furniture, or dropped off spare papayas, or have done anything of tangible value for the people around you, instead of just being a dragon sitting on your hoard grumbling about the rabble.
- How many unauthorized immigrants are estimated to be in Hawai'i? ~42,000 (~3% of the population), with roughly half being from the Philippines, and most of the rest from Micronesia, Marshall Islands, and China/Hong Kong. About 80% have a High school diploma or above, 50%/50% male to female split, about 25% are married, many to U.S. citizens, about 32% own a house, and about 38% have been here 20 years or more.
Probably more could be said about immigration patterns if one wanted to look up historical trends, but in general the current situation in Hawai'i does not appear to be a flood of gang-bangers arriving by small boats on our local black sand beaches. If someone has a credible source showing high crime rates in Hawai'i attached to the actual sort of human migration happening, please do share.
leilanidude - that is still 14% too many to begin with, right
Not sure what you're trying to say - 14% with a criminal record is too high, so there should be 0% of those arrested having a violent criminal record instead? Only target the older purple-heart veterans living in Hawai'i whose crimes are non-violent drug offenses tied to PTSD after being injured in yet another U.S. intervention in Central America?
Or are you saying that you think infringing on and damaging everyone's rights, most notably the first (protest/speech), second (right to bear arms), fourth (right to privacy and against illegal search and seizure), fifth (due process), and fourteenth (equal protection of the law), and killing innocent people is worth it to deport the couple dozen undocumented immigrants Tang noted were arrested in Honolulu? What is actually the larger threat to you and everyone else?
leilanidude - As to drug offenses not being considered by your "violent" count, in Hawaii, where meth and other drugs are contributing to plenty of burglaries and thefts, that is also way too many folks who should not be here either.
Deport all burglars and/or drug users, regardless of citizenship? Or just those that use "bad drugs" (ye old crack vs cocaine disparities)? Again, WTF are you on about?
Meth doesn't cause theft, poverty does (the use of street drugs is closely correlated with the cycle of poverty so poverty is more likely the cause of meth use as well), but you keep arguing against SNAP and Section 8 and every program that tries to help people survive in Hawai'i as if people cut off from resources are just going to go homeless and starve, preferably out of your sight somewhere.
As discussed many times here, the Puna po-po aren't going to prevent your stuff being stolen, probably not even do much after the fact. You're better off actually being a part of, and working within, your community so everyone is looking out for one another and should someone get a hankering for your stuff, someone's cousin can chime in about how you helped their auntie move her furniture, or dropped off spare papayas, or have done anything of tangible value for the people around you, instead of just being a dragon sitting on your hoard grumbling about the rabble.