TomK - I'm an atheist, I think that's clear to everyone, I'm not hiding it. What's disappointing, but expected, is that neither ironyak nor MyManao, nor anyone else, has shown any evidence that there is a god, or in the alternative, a bunch of gods and goddesses.
That's shifting the burden of proof as you well know. You've made the claims so you are required to provide the proof. I'm agnostic, I do my best to not claim to know what I don't know, and so aren't responsible for proving or disproving the existence of gods.
You're the atheist so you have to disprove the existence of god(s).
TomK - Ironyak keeps arguing that maybe nature is evil
I never argued that nature is evil - I asked you if it is, as it also causes destruction and suffering, which is why you're claiming some gods and goddess are evil. If that's all it takes to be evil then much of the known world is evil which seems like a strange view point coming from a scientist.
TomK - but if it's controlled by omnipotent gods, surely they can prevent natural disasters - unless they don't want to.
I don't pretend to know the minds of gods or presume to know what they can or can't do.
TomK - Logically, if gods exist and they let horrible things happen on Earth and make people suffer, then they are either evil, irelevant or don't exist.
Which is it? Are you hanging up your "gods don't exist atheism" and adopting a new "all gods suck cynical polytheism"? ;)
That's shifting the burden of proof as you well know. You've made the claims so you are required to provide the proof. I'm agnostic, I do my best to not claim to know what I don't know, and so aren't responsible for proving or disproving the existence of gods.
You're the atheist so you have to disprove the existence of god(s).
TomK - Ironyak keeps arguing that maybe nature is evil
I never argued that nature is evil - I asked you if it is, as it also causes destruction and suffering, which is why you're claiming some gods and goddess are evil. If that's all it takes to be evil then much of the known world is evil which seems like a strange view point coming from a scientist.
TomK - but if it's controlled by omnipotent gods, surely they can prevent natural disasters - unless they don't want to.
I don't pretend to know the minds of gods or presume to know what they can or can't do.
TomK - Logically, if gods exist and they let horrible things happen on Earth and make people suffer, then they are either evil, irelevant or don't exist.
Which is it? Are you hanging up your "gods don't exist atheism" and adopting a new "all gods suck cynical polytheism"? ;)