(03-09-2026, 06:04 PM)ironyak Wrote: Let me try to put things how I see them - not claiming them as the Truth, just some thoughts and observations.
I figured you were going to move from humans have inherent discrimination (which seems like lots of good info to support that) to tying it to the thread's theme about God. There have been lots of ideas shared and time spent building up a dialog about gods and science and how can we say what we know. So while you tied your points to Hawaii while dealing with some headwinds from those unlikely to take the Harvard Implicit Association tests, you still didn't/haven't tied it back to the theme of the thread. Could it be done, maybe, but that path and landing runway is not clear to me.
I really am trying to adopt the possible interpretation of Punaweb as a positive space for collaborative exchange much like a large diverse band. For that to work everyone has to acknowledge and appreciate what each bring to the themes, claim some time to solo, but also fill some background tracks, and be willing to have back and forths without resorting to stomping feet.
Is it possible? Only if we believe it to be and make the effort find a way to work together - otherwise lots of discordant and hamajang outcomes seem likely.
Sorry I did not fully reply - I had to to take 4 legs of terror to the vet today for his 6 month probing, stabbing, claw trimming and teeth cleaning and was running short of time.
Your reference to the Harvard Implicit Association tests made me realize that I should explain the connection of humanity's inherent discrimination to the theme of the God thread a little better. I submit the following:
First, any thought, theory, scientific experiments or anything related to the concept of any God, Supreme Being, Deity etc., is a simple construct of humanity, as is any religion. It is all human made.
Now, I am not in any way disrespecting ones belief in any such God and/or Religion. In fact to the contrary. If believing in a God, the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, or a big bowl of spaghetti - if it works for you, go for it. However, when that belief in any God and/or Religion gets into the hatred, bigotry, discriminating or otherwise any such belief that one human is better than another human because of the belief of whatever God and or Religion one subscribes to, I don't think it is fair to say that any God and/or Religion is inherently discriminatory, when, and a little dot connecting here, humanity, who invented God and/or Religion in the first place is inherently discriminatory in and of itself.
So, what I was attempting to do was continue on in the conversation about God, Religion and expand it to include humanity's inherent discriminatory traits. I was not "jacking" the thread in any way shape or form. I mean it's not like in the middle of say a discussion of tariffs on Chinese imported pre-fabbed houses, I through out some right wing website search engine advertisement. All I was simply trying to do was expand the conversation, about a human made conceived God, a human made written Religion as well as humans inherent discriminatory traits as kind of one big bowl of stew.
A good example of what I am trying to say in all of this is a poster, in rebuttal to my female pilot's comments, called the person I discussed a "black chick." Is that, in any way, shape or form, an acceptable term to use? Is it bigoted? Discriminatory? Is it from the human made construct in the belief of a God? A Religion?
Or is the poster who said that inherently discriminatory?
And then, just remember, that so called "black chick" has busted through wall after wall inherently human discrimination literally from the day she was born. She has far more street cred in my book than anyone who would call her a "black chick" for any reason, be it their belief in a human made God, a human made religion or their own inherently human discriminatory beliefs. And I'll even say she has far more street cred than myself.
In conclusion, I hope this connects the dots for you. And bringing this back to Hawaii, and your clear love of music, I bring to you a cover of John Lennon's song "Imagine." This cover song was in part performed and filmed here in Hawaii and features Hawaiian inspired ukulele's and guitars. I hope you enjoy! I also hope someday everyone can join and the World will live as one.
ETA: I just realized amongst all this female pilot talk, that just a few days ago, United Airlines announced that for the first time in aviation history as well as United Airlines history, a female has become the most senior pilot - to over 18,000 other pilots.